User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ
Asked on: Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 7:21 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 5:55 am EST
Question: Looking at a job where the existing service is in the cellar. Entire cellar is being demo'ed.They arer relocating service to different area of cellar as you can see.They are building 3 new floors above grade. NOT EXISTING but new construction.I will need temp power for construction so not sure how to figure where I can get power from.Was thinking maybe use tghe existing termpo service/power( let them demop around it) until we can get the new service brought into the building???
Okay, let's break down this electrical service relocation and temporary power setup for your new construction project. There are several factors to consider, and a smart approach will save time, money, and headaches.
Understanding the Situation
Existing Service
Located in the basement, being demo'ed.
Service Relocation
Moving the service panel to a new location within the basement.
New Construction
3 new stories being built above grade.
Temporary Power Needed
Essential for construction activities.
Key Considerations & Possible Strategies
Temporary Power Source
Existing Service as a Temporary Source (Ideal if Feasible)
Pros
Potentially the quickest and least expensive initial setup. You know it's there and (presumably) functional.
Cons
Risk of disrupting the existing service during demolition, potentially unreliable, might not have sufficient capacity for the full construction load. Needs careful coordination with demolition schedule. You'll need to demo around it carefully.
Steps
Capacity Assessment
Critical. Have a licensed electrician immediately assess the existing service's capacity. Determine the available amperage and voltage. Will it handle the demands of saws, drills, lighting, etc. for the new construction in addition to anything the building is currently using (if it's partially occupied)?
Temporary Subpanel
Install a temporary subpanel connected to the existing service. This subpanel will feed the various construction needs.
Protection
Ensure proper overcurrent protection (breakers) on the temporary subpanel and all branch circuits. Use GFCI protection for all receptacles used in construction areas.
Compliance
Ensure the temporary wiring meets all NEC and local code requirements. Temporary wiring is often allowed to be more flexible (e.g., extension cords in certain situations), but there are still very specific rules.
Demo Coordination
Plan the demolition work very carefully around the existing service. Protect it physically. Have a contingency plan if it gets damaged.
Metering
Consider installing a meter on the temporary service. This allows the owner to accurately track energy consumption during construction.
Temporary Utility Service (Probably Necessary at Some Point)
When to Consider
If the existing service lacks capacity, is unreliable, or the demolition makes it too risky, you'll need a dedicated temporary service from the utility. Also, as construction progresses, you will need to get the new service in and commissioned.
Steps
Contact the Utility Company ASAP
This is critical. Getting a temporary service installed can take weeks or even months, depending on the utility company's workload and local permitting requirements.
Service Location
Work with the utility to determine the optimal location for the temporary service pole/transformer and meter. Consider future use of the location or potential conflicts.
Permits
Obtain all necessary permits from the city/county for the temporary service installation.
Installation
The utility company typically installs the service drop (wires from the power lines to your temporary pole). You (or your electrician) will be responsible for the pole, meter base, and wiring to the temporary subpanel.
Generator (Less Common for This Scenario, but Possible as Backup)
Pros
Independent power source, useful for specific tasks where grid power isn't readily available.
Cons
Fuel costs, noise, maintenance, requires careful grounding and bonding. More suited for smaller, portable power needs.2.
Planning the New Service
Load Calculation
Perform a thorough load calculation for the entire building, including the new floors. This will determine the required service amperage and voltage. Consider future expansion.
Service Entrance Location
The new service location in the basement needs to be accessible and compliant with all code requirements. Consider cable/conduit routes, clearances, and any potential obstructions.
Service Entrance Equipment
Select appropriate service entrance equipment (main breaker panel, meter socket, grounding electrode conductor) based on the load calculation and code requirements.
Permitting and Inspections
Obtain all necessary permits from the city/county for the new service installation. Ensure the installation is inspected and approved by the local electrical inspector.3.
Coordination is Key
Communication
Maintain clear and frequent communication with the owner, demolition contractor, electrician, utility company, and building inspector.
Scheduling
Develop a detailed schedule that coordinates the demolition, temporary power installation, new service installation, and construction activities.
Contingency Plans
Have backup plans in place in case of unexpected delays or problems.
Recommended Steps (in Order)
Engage a Qualified Electrician
Hire a licensed and experienced electrician who is familiar with new construction, service upgrades, and temporary power installations.2.
Initial Assessment
Have the electrician assess the existing service capacity immediately.3.
Utility Contact
Contact the utility company to inquire about temporary and permanent service requirements, lead times, and costs.4.
Load Calculation
Have the electrician perform a load calculation for the entire building.5.
Temporary Power Plan
Develop a detailed temporary power plan with the electrician, specifying the source, subpanel location, wiring methods, and safety measures.6.
Permitting
Obtain all necessary permits for the temporary and permanent service installations.7.
Installation
Install the temporary power system and begin construction.8.
New Service Installation
Coordinate the installation of the new service entrance equipment.9.
Inspection
Schedule inspections for both the temporary and permanent service installations.10.
Transition
Once the new service is approved, transition the power load from the temporary service to the new service.11.
Remove Temporary Service
Remove the temporary service once it is no longer needed.
Important Considerations for the Basement Service Relocation
Flooding
Consider the risk of flooding in the basement. Elevate the service entrance equipment above the potential flood level.
Accessibility
Ensure the service entrance equipment is easily accessible for maintenance and repairs.
Conduit Runs
Plan the conduit runs for the service entrance conductors carefully. Minimize bends and avoid obstructions.
Grounding
Proper grounding is critical for safety. Install a grounding electrode system that meets code requirements.
Labeling: Clearly label all circuits and components in the service entrance equipment.By following these steps and working closely with a qualified electrician and the utility company, you can ensure a safe and reliable power supply for your new construction project. Good luck! Flag for review