User: WillieBilly, Location: Loxley, Alabama
Asked on: Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 3:28 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 5:57 am EST
Question: There is a fault in a branch circuit for the washing machine upstairs. Washer is fed from subpanel in garage. Electrician does not want to re-pull wire. Electrician wants to install branch from heat closet disconnect that is also upstairs. I say no. Disconnect will not be in sight. Improper working space. Heat is fed with 4 wire but is #4 Al. and heat ampacity says 58 amps. 60 amp overcurrent is also in garage panel. What am I missing here? There ain't no way...right ? Tell me I'm right..... just a little ?
Okay, let's break down why you're right to be concerned about the electrician's proposed solution. It sounds like there are multiple code violations stacking up here. You're absolutely correct to question this.Here's a detailed look at the issues: 1. Non-Dedicated Circuit & Appliance Issues (NEC 210.23(A)): Washing machines require a dedicated 20 amp circuit. Tapping into an existing circuit, especially one for a heating appliance, violates this. You risk overloading the existing circuit, which is a fire hazard. Even if the nameplate says it draws less amps than the circuit, it is likely a code violation. 2. Working Space and Accessibility (NEC 110.26): You're spot-on about working space and accessibility. The disconnect for the new branch circuit must be readily accessible and have appropriate working space around it (depth, width, and height). If the disconnect is hidden in a heat closet, it's likely violating this rule. In the event of an emergency or the need for maintenance, quick access is crucial. 3. Disconnect Location (NEC 422.31(B)): The appliance (washer) should have a disconnect that is "within sight" from the appliance. Having the disconnect in a different room (the heat closet) violates this requirement. This ensures that someone working on the appliance can easily shut off the power. 4. Overcurrent Protection and Conductor Ampacity (NEC 240.4 & 310.16/310.15(B)(16)): Aluminum wire has different ampacity ratings than copper. #4 Aluminum wire typically has a lower ampacity rating than what's needed for a 60A overcurrent device. You mentioned the heat ampacity says 58A and it is protected by a 60 amp breaker. Depending on the wire insulation type and ambient temperature, #4 aluminum is limited to 50A or 55A. This is a major safety concern! The conductor must be protected according to its ampacity. The wire must be upgraded to use the 60 amp breaker. 5. Using an Existing Circuit for New Loads (General Principle): Even if the heating circuit appeared to have spare capacity, it's generally bad practice to tap into it for another significant appliance like a washing machine. This can lead to voltage drops, nuisance tripping, and potential overloading, especially if both appliances operate simultaneously. 6. Potentially Mixing Wire Types (NEC 110.14): While not specifically stated, if there is a junction box and the electrician plans to connect the copper wire for the new branch circuit to the existing aluminum wire in the heating circuit, this requires special consideration. Aluminum and copper have different expansion/contraction rates, and improper connections can lead to corrosion and loose connections. The electrician needs to use connectors specifically rated for aluminum-to-copper connections (e.g., Al/Cu rated connectors and antioxidant paste).
In Summary
Dedicated Circuit Violation
Washing machines need a dedicated 20-amp circuit.
Accessibility/Working Space Violation
Disconnects must be readily accessible and have adequate working space.
"Within Sight" Violation
Disconnect must be within sight of the appliance.
Ampacity Violation
Aluminum conductor is underrated for the overcurrent protection device.
Potential Overload
Tapping into an existing circuit is risky and can overload the circuit.
Potential Dissimilar Metal Issues
Improper connections between copper and aluminum wires can cause problems.
You are absolutely right to object to this proposal. It is a recipe for code violations and potential safety hazards.
What to Do
Firmly Reject the Proposal
Explain your concerns based on the points above.2.
Involve an Inspector
If the electrician is resistant or dismissive, consider contacting your local electrical inspector. They can provide an unbiased assessment and ensure code compliance.3.
Alternative Solutions
Explore Wire Repulling
Discuss the specific reasons why the electrician doesn't want to repull the wire. There might be ways to mitigate those issues (e.g., using a wire-pulling lubricant, finding a different route).
Run a New Circuit
If repulling is impossible, consider running an entirely new circuit from the subpanel in the garage, even if it means a longer run. This is the safest and most code-compliant solution.*
Panel Upgrade? If the subpanel is overloaded and cannot accommodate a new circuit, consider upgrading the subpanel.Don't compromise on safety. You're doing the right thing by questioning this. Flag for review