User: ptonsparky, Location: NE (9.06 miles @5.9 Degrees from Winged Horses)
Asked on: Monday, December 9, 2024 at 4:15 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:04 am EST
Question: Pump installer called me with some questions with the VFDs they are using on residential homes. Single phase in three out and some can also operate 2 wire pumps. I haven't seen details yet.Issue at the moment is when the pumps kick on the LEDs blink or flicker. FWIU Franklin makes a filter in the $700 range.We briefly discussed LED sensitivity to VD. Adding ferrite rings and the super cheap split ones offered on Amazon.When grounding was brought up, I mentioned adding rods would do nothing. Apparently, not so in his experience. The devil will be in the details but apparently he drilled a hole in the basement floor, added a rod, and bonded directly to the drive. Flicker stopped. IDK if an EG to the line side of the VFD is there or not. I have been invited to look at a couple of homes with the issue including the with the one with the added rod. Worse yet is some homes are not bothered at all.Any thought as to why a driven rod would help the situation?
This is an interesting and complex situation with several potential contributing factors. Let's break down the possibilities of why driving a ground rod near the VFD might appear to alleviate LED flickering, and what other areas you should investigate.
Potential Reasons Why a Ground Rod Might Seem to Help (and the associated caveats)
RF Noise Mitigation
VFDs generate significant Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) and Electromagnetic Interference (EMI). This noise can couple into the building's wiring, causing various issues, including LED flickering. A dedicated ground rod, directly bonded to the VFD chassis, could provide a lower impedance path for this high-frequency noise to dissipate into the earth. It's acting like a very crude RF ground.
Caveats
This is likely not a proper grounding solution, and depends heavily on soil conductivity. The improvement might be coincidental or masking a more fundamental problem. The noise can still couple into the wiring through other paths. It's more of a band-aid than a cure. This doesn't address VD.
Equipotential Bonding (Potentially Misinterpreted)
The VFD's chassis should already be bonded to the electrical system's grounding electrode system via the equipment grounding conductor (EGC). If this bonding is poor or missing, the VFD chassis might be floating at a slightly different potential than other grounded equipment. Driving a rod and bonding to it might inadvertently improve this equipotential bonding, but it's not the intended method.
Caveats
NEC (National Electrical Code) requires all grounding electrodes to be bonded together to form a single grounding electrode system. An isolated rod violates this principle. This is dangerous as it could potentially create a path for fault current outside of the intended EGC. If the house is wired with older 2 wire and no EGC then this may be the issue.
Improved Common Mode Noise Filtering (Indirectly)
Common-mode noise is noise present equally on all conductors relative to ground. The VFD's input filter (if present) typically relies on a good ground connection to effectively attenuate common-mode noise. A better connection to earth could indirectly improve the filter's performance, reducing noise that couples into the lighting circuits.
Caveats
Again, the quality of the primary EGC to the panel is crucial here. A supplemental ground rod is not a substitute for a proper EGC.
Reduced Voltage Transients (Less Likely)
It's possible that the ground rod is providing some damping effect on voltage transients caused by the VFD switching. However, this is less likely and would depend on the specific characteristics of the installation and the soil. Voltage transients are more commonly addressed with proper surge protection at the panel.
Caveats
Voltage transients usually cause a wider range of problems than just LED flickering.
Important Considerations and Areas to Investigate
Grounding and Bonding Integrity
Verify the EGC
Is there a proper equipment grounding conductor (EGC, the bare or green wire) running from the VFD back to the main electrical panel? Is it securely connected at both ends? This is the MOST important thing to check. If the home is older and doesn't have an EGC this may be the issue. Then the rod may be the path to ground.
Bonding to the Service Entrance
Confirm that the main electrical panel's grounding electrode system (ground rod, water pipe bond, etc.) is intact and properly connected.
Ground Resistance Testing
Consider using a ground resistance meter to test the resistance of the existing grounding electrode system. High resistance can indicate a problem.2.
VFD Installation and Configuration
Correct Wiring
Ensure the VFD is wired correctly, including the input power, motor leads, and any control signals.
VFD Parameters
Verify that the VFD's parameters are properly configured for the specific motor and application. Incorrect settings can lead to increased noise and harmonics.
Input Filter
Does the VFD have a built-in input filter? If not, consider adding one (though Franklin's quoted cost is high - there might be alternatives).
Output Filter
If the motor cable is long, an output filter (dV/dt filter or sine wave filter) might be necessary to reduce voltage reflections and stress on the motor insulation.3.
LED Compatibility
Dimmable vs. Non-Dimmable
Are the LEDs dimmable? Non-dimmable LEDs are often more susceptible to flickering when exposed to voltage fluctuations.
LED Driver Quality
The quality of the LED driver significantly impacts its susceptibility to noise and voltage variations. Lower-quality drivers are more prone to flickering.
LED Compatibility with VFDs
Some LEDs may simply be incompatible with the electrical noise generated by VFDs.4.
Voltage Drop
Measure Voltage Drop
Use a multimeter to measure the voltage drop at the LED fixtures while the pump is running. Excessive voltage drop can cause flickering.
Circuit Loading
Are the lighting circuits heavily loaded? Overloaded circuits are more susceptible to voltage drop.
Wire Gauge
Verify that the wire gauge is adequate for the circuit length and load.5.
Harmonics
Harmonic Analysis
A power quality analyzer can be used to measure the harmonic content of the electrical system. High harmonic distortion can cause various problems, including LED flickering. VFDs are notorious for injecting harmonics into the power system.6.
Ferrite Rings
Placement
Ferrite rings can be helpful in reducing conducted EMI. Place them as close as possible to the noise source (VFD) and the affected equipment (LEDs).
Coverage
Use enough ferrite rings to effectively suppress the noise. Experiment with different locations and configurations.
Troubleshooting Steps
Start with the Basics
Verify proper grounding and bonding throughout the electrical system. This is the foundation for a stable and safe installation.2.
Isolate the Problem
Try turning off other loads in the house to see if the flickering is reduced. This can help identify the source of the noise.3.
Observe the LEDs
Are all the LEDs flickering, or just specific ones? This can help pinpoint the affected circuits.4.
Measure Voltage
Measure the voltage at the LED fixtures while the pump is running and while it's off.5.
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of your observations, measurements, and any changes you make.
Why Some Homes Aren't Affected
The susceptibility to VFD-induced noise depends on a variety of factors, including:
Distance from the VFD
Homes closer to the VFD are more likely to be affected.
Wiring Configuration
The layout of the wiring can influence how noise is coupled into the lighting circuits.
Grounding Quality
Homes with better grounding systems are less susceptible to noise problems.
LED Sensitivity
Some LEDs are simply more tolerant of noise than others.
In summary
The ground rod fix is highly suspect as a proper solution. It's more likely masking a deeper issue. Focus on verifying and improving the grounding and bonding system, addressing voltage drop, and mitigating EMI. Investigating the VFD's installation and parameters, as well as the LED compatibility, is also crucial. Bring a multimeter and a clamp meter to the site visit and check the ground. You may have to pull the VFD and test the ground with a known good source like a generator. You want to ensure a good, low-impedance ground path exists.
Before any of that, I would call the VFD manufacturer's tech support. They may have seen this before, may have a filter recommendation, or may have parameter changes that would reduce the issue. They are the experts on their product, and they may have a quick fix. Flag for review