User: DB808, Location: Hawaii
Asked on: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 2:10 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:07 am EST
Question: Aloha All,I have a question that maybe someone on here can help me with. Review on events leading up to this situation. I worked for 2 companies with 2 different journeyman for a total of about 4 years (maybe longer). I just completed my schooling for my 240hrs need to take test. I havent worked for them since Nov. 15th. I have asked both Journeyman to supply me with my notarized hours. Unfortunately my leaving the other company didn't go well I gave them a notice and they told me to leave abruptly that day and that they would get me my hours (canceled my insurance and everything already). My livelyhood depends on it as I have people wanting me to do work for them. I don't know how many hours I have but probably close to 8,000 hours is my guess. I figure I can atleast get my 80 maintenence electrician card and do the work for the people that are waiting. Seems like they are letting it drag and taking there time getting me my hours. Is there a certain amount of time within they have to provide me with these things? I have texted them both multiple times already asking for these hours. If anyone has any insight that would help me greatly appreciated!!(Already got business set up, 2m insurance coverage, all of this just waiting on hours for testing)
It's understandable that you're frustrated by the delay in getting your documented work hours. Your ability to work legally and independently hinges on this documentation. Unfortunately, there isn't a uniform law across the U.S. that mandates a specific timeframe for employers to provide work hour documentation. However, there are several avenues you can explore and actions you can take to expedite the process.Here's a breakdown of possible approaches, with emphasis on the urgency of your situation and what to look for locally
1. Check Your State/Local Regulations:
Crucial Step
This is the most important action you can take. Every state (and sometimes city/county) has different regulations regarding apprenticeship programs, licensing, and employer responsibilities related to providing proof of work experience.
Focus Areas
Statutes on Payroll Records
Some states have laws about how long employers must keep payroll records and make them available to former employees. While not directly about documented hours, these records can be a starting point to prove your employment dates.
Apprenticeship Regulations
If either of your employers had a formal apprenticeship program, those programs often have specific rules about documenting work hours.
Licensing Board Rules
Check the regulations of your state or local electrical licensing board. They may have guidelines or requirements for employers related to documenting work experience.
2. Formal Written Demand (Certified Mail with Return Receipt)
Document Everything
Keep records of all communication.
Send a Formal Letter
Send each of your former employers a certified letter with return receipt requested. This proves that they received your request.
Content of the Letter
Clearly State Your Request
Be very specific about what you need: "A notarized statement of my work hours as an electrical apprentice/electrician's helper from [Start Date] to [End Date]."
Explain Why It's Urgent
Emphasize that your livelihood depends on receiving this documentation to obtain your electrical license and start your business.
Reference Potential Legal Action
While you don't want to immediately threaten legal action, you can mention that you are exploring all available legal remedies to obtain the necessary documentation. You could state something like, "I understand my state requires employers to keep accurate records of employment and wages, and I am exploring my legal options to obtain the documentation necessary for my electrical license."
Set a Deadline
Give them a reasonable, but firm, deadline (e.g., 14 days) to provide the requested documentation.
Contact Information
Include your full contact information (phone, email, and mailing address).
3. Contact the Electrical Licensing Board/State Apprenticeship Agency
Explain Your Situation
Contact the agency that handles electrical licensing in your state or locality. Explain your situation, including the difficulty you are having obtaining your work hour documentation.
Inquire About Alternatives
Ask if they have any alternative methods for verifying your work experience. They may accept affidavits from other licensed electricians who witnessed your work, or other forms of documentation.
Inquire About Employer Obligations
Ask the licensing board about any requirements or recourse regarding employers who fail to provide work hour documentation. They might have a process for handling these situations.
4. Legal Consultation
Consider a Consultation
If you don't receive the documentation after sending the certified letters and contacting the licensing board, consult with an attorney who specializes in employment law.
Potential Legal Options
An attorney can advise you on your legal options, which might include:
Demand Letter from an Attorney
A letter from an attorney can sometimes be more persuasive than a letter from you.
Legal Action
Depending on your state laws and the specific facts of your case, you might be able to take legal action to compel your former employers to provide the documentation.
5. Reconstruct Your Hours (If Possible, and Permitted by Licensing Board)
Gather Supporting Evidence
Start compiling any documentation you have that can help support your claim of work hours, even if it's not perfect. This could include: Pay stubs (even if they don't show hours, they prove employment dates) Old timesheets (if you have copies) Emails related to work projects Names and contact information of coworkers or customers who can verify your work
6. Consider Alternative Licensing Paths (If Applicable)
Check Requirements Carefully
Look at the requirements for the 80-hour Maintenance Electrician card. In some areas, this might require less documentation or a different type of experience. While it might not be your ideal outcome, it could be a way to get started legally.
Understand Limitations
Be very clear on the scope of work you can perform with a Maintenance Electrician card versus a full Journeyman license.
7. Don't Give Up (But Be Realistic)
Persistence is Key
Keep following up with your former employers, the licensing board, and any other relevant agencies.*
Manage Expectations
It's possible that your former employers will remain uncooperative. In that case, you need to be prepared to pursue alternative methods of verification or legal action.
Specific Actions You Should Take Immediately
Research Your State/Local Electrical Licensing Board
Find their website and look for regulations and contact information.2.
Draft and Send Certified Letters
Prepare formal letters to both former employers immediately.3.
Contact the Licensing Board
Call or email the licensing board to explain your situation and ask for advice.4.
Gather Supporting Documentation: Start compiling any evidence you have to support your claim of work hours.The key is to be proactive, persistent, and to thoroughly understand the regulations in your area. Good luck! Flag for review