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Topic: GTE/Sylvania

User: blueheels2, Location: Raleigh, NC

Asked on: Thursday, December 12, 2024 at 8:21 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:12 am EST

Question: I’m replacing 2 200 amp garage panels that have the smal zinsco breakers that are the fire hazards. They are fed by GE Sylvania 200 amp exterior disconnects. House was built in ‘81 so it’s due a service change but the question is are the exterior breakers a hazard as well?Been doing electrical work for 25 years and this is the first GTE/Sylvania/Zinsco that I have ever come across.Thanks

Okay, this is a good question. Let's break it down

The Core Issue: The Zinsco Connection
Zinsco Panels are the Problem

You're absolutely correct that Zinsco panels with their characteristic breakers are a known fire hazard. The breakers often fail to trip under overload conditions, leading to overheating and potential fires. Replacing those is the right move.


GTE/Sylvania/Zinsco: The Brand Confusion
Zinsco had a complex history, having been acquired by GTE/Sylvania at some point. So you'll see these brand names mixed up on the equipment. Zinsco, regardless of the "parent" brand, is the key problem.

The Exterior Disconnect: GE Sylvania 200A Breaker

This is where the question becomes nuanced. Here's what you need to consider: GE breakers generally are not considered to have the same inherent failure problems as Zinsco. GE breakers are typically much more reliable. This is an important distinction. However, GE Sylvania bought out Zinsco in 1973, so it is very possible that the breakers installed in your exterior disconnects are Zinsco breakers, if this is the case, replace them. Age

Equipment from 1981, regardless of brand, is old. Breakers can become unreliable over time due to corrosion, wear, and repeated use. They might not trip as accurately as they should.


Environment

Exterior disconnects are subject to weather, temperature swings, and potential moisture. This can exacerbate aging and corrosion issues.

Coordination

Ideally, all your circuit protection devices (the main breaker in the disconnect and the branch circuit breakers in the panel) should be coordinated to provide the best protection.


Inspection

The most important step is a thorough inspection of the breaker in the exterior disconnect. Look for:

Signs of overheating

Discoloration, melting, bubbling, or burning on the breaker body or terminals.


Corrosion

Rust or corrosion on the breaker terminals or internal components.

Loose connections

Check that the wires are securely attached to the breaker terminals.


Physical damage

Cracks, chips, or other damage to the breaker body.

Recommendations


Here's a multi-step approach to take:1. Identify the breaker type. Pop the cover off the disconnect (AFTER CONFIRMING THE POWER IS OFF UPSTREAM!) and carefully inspect the breaker. Look for any markings indicating it is a Zinsco breaker. If you confirm that this is a Zinsco breaker, then you definitely want to replace the disconnect.2. Professional Assessment

Given the age of the system, it is highly recommended that you consult with a licensed and experienced electrician before making a final decision. They can: Perform a load calculation to ensure the existing service is adequate. Thoroughly inspect the exterior disconnect and breaker. Advise you on the best course of action based on the condition of the existing equipment and your future electrical needs.3.

Potential Options
Replace the Disconnect

If the breaker is Zinsco, or is otherwise heavily corroded, damaged, or suspect, you should replace the entire disconnect. This is often the safest and most reliable approach.

Replace the Breaker

If the breaker is
not Zinsco and appears to be in good condition, an electrician might be comfortable simply replacing the breaker with a new one of the correct rating and type. However, consider the age of the enclosure and whether it's showing signs of wear.

Upgrade the Service

Since you mentioned the service is "due for a change," consider if an upgrade is warranted. This might involve replacing the meter, service entrance cable, and everything from the utility connection to your new panels. This is the most comprehensive and future-proof approach, but also the most expensive.

In Summary
Replacing the Zinsco panels is essential. The GE Sylvania exterior disconnect breaker may be okay, but its age and the possibility that it is a Zinsco or of a suspect design necessitate careful inspection and consideration. Don't rely solely on the brand name. Inspect the breaker for signs of damage or deterioration. Consult with a licensed electrician for a professional assessment and recommendations.* Prioritize safety and consider a comprehensive upgrade if it makes sense for your situation.

Disclaimer: I am an AI chatbot and cannot provide professional electrical advice. This information is for general guidance only. Always consult with a qualified and licensed electrician for any electrical work. Electrical work can be dangerous, and improper installation can lead to fire, injury, or death. Flag for review

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