User: mannyb, Location: Florida
Asked on: Thursday, December 12, 2024 at 7:47 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:14 am EST
Question: Customer has an existing 600a 240v single phase panel feed through a CT can with paralleled 4/0 CU. to main lugs no main breakers. The panelboard has 6 breakers feeding loads throughout the house. We need to install and ATS for generator. The calculated load is 344amps. Parralleled 4/0 is good for 460a. Would a 600a disconnect and fuse be allowed? or would I have to go to 500a fuses? If I we go with 400a Im going to be required to change the meter can to 320/400. vs the original CT set up. I also thought about trying to back feed thru a breaker at panel Im not sure if this woudl be allowed period.
Okay, this is a common scenario and requires careful consideration of the NEC. Let's break down the options and the relevant code sections
Understanding the Situation
Existing
600A, 240V, Single-Phase Service, Paralleled 4/0 CU conductors, CT can, No Main Breaker.
Panelboard
Multiple branch breakers feeding loads.
New
Installation of an Automatic Transfer Switch (ATS) for a generator.
Calculated Load
344A
Conductor Capacity
4/0 CU in parallel = 460A (Table 310.16, 75°C, and assuming terminations are rated for 75°C).
Objective
Integrate the generator safely and code-compliantly with the existing service.
Code References (NEC 2023) Article 220
Load Calculations
Article 230
Services
Article 240
Overcurrent Protection
Article 445
Generators
Article 700
Emergency Systems (if applicable – depends on the loads being backed up)
Article 701
Legally Required Standby Systems (if applicable)
Article 702
Optional Standby Systems
Section 705.12(D)
Backfeeding a Panelboard for Generators (critical for your "backfeeding" idea)
Section 230.90
Overcurrent protection of service-entrance conductors.
Analysis of Options
1. 600A Disconnect and Fuse
Pros
Simple installation if it's allowed by code.
Cons
Potentially violates the "next higher standard size overcurrent device" rule.
NEC 240.4(B)
Protection of Conductors. Conductors, other than flexible cords, flexible cables, and fixture wires, shall be protected against overcurrent in accordance with their ampacities specified in 310.14 and 310.15, except as modified in 240.4(A) through (G).
NEC 240.4(B)
Overcurrent Protection. Where the ampacity of the conductor does not correspond to the standard ampere rating of a fuse or a circuit breaker without overload trip adjustments above its rating, the next higher standard overcurrent device rating (above 800A) shall be permitted, only if all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The conductors are not part of a multioutlet branch circuit supplying receptacles for cord-and-plug-connected portable loads. (2) The ampacity of the conductor has been adjusted in accordance with 310.15. (3) The next higher standard overcurrent device rating does not exceed 800 amperes. In your case, the next higher standard size fuse from the conductors ampacity is 500A and NOT 600A. Therefore, you would not be able to use a 600A OCPD.
Verdict
Potentially Violates Code.
Likely not permitted with a 600A fuse. You must comply with 240.4(B). The next lower overcurrent device that protects the service entrance conductors would be a 450A fuse.2. 500A Fuses
Pros
Meets NEC 240.4(B) potentially.
Cons
Could be an inconvenience if future load increases are needed.
Verdict
This is a more compliant option than a 600A fuse. Make sure it is readily available.
3. 400A Fuses, and Upgrading Meter Can to 320/400A
Pros
Provides some headroom over the calculated load. Likely a standard configuration.
Cons
More expensive due to the meter can and main disconnect replacement, plus the labor involved.
Verdict
It is more expensive, but would be a very good long-term solution that ensures compliance and provides potential for future expansion.
4. Backfeeding Through a Breaker
Pros
Seemingly simplest installation.
Cons
Highly complex and potentially dangerous. Code compliance is extremely difficult.
NEC 705.12(D)
Supply-Side Source Connection. A supply-side source connection shall be permitted as indicated in 705.12(D)(1) through (D)(4): (This section has very specific requirements for backfeeding, including a breaker designed for backfeeding.)
Safety Concerns
Backfeeding can energize the utility side of the service equipment, creating a hazard for utility workers. It can also overload the neutral conductor if not done correctly.
Interlock Requirements
You
MUST have a mechanically interlocked breaker system (or transfer switch) to prevent the generator and utility from being connected at the same time. A simple bolt-on breaker and hoping people don't close both is NOT sufficient.
Verdict
Generally discouraged unless you have experience and know the specific requirements of 705.12(D) and have approval from the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) and the utility. This requires specific breakers, likely a listed backfeed device or a specific ATS designed for this, and rigorous inspections. This is often not a viable option in residential situations because of the level of engineering and components required.Recommendations
Consult with the AHJ and the Utility Company
Before making any changes, discuss your plans with your local electrical inspector (AHJ) and the utility company. They may have specific requirements or restrictions.2.
Comprehensive Load Calculation
Double-check your load calculations to ensure they are accurate and include any potential future loads.3.
Prioritize Safety
Any solution must be safe and prevent backfeeding onto the utility grid.4.
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of all work, including load calculations, permits, inspections, and as-built drawings.5.
Best Practice
The safest and most reliable solution typically involves using a properly sized Automatic Transfer Switch (ATS).
Preferred Approach
Option 3 (400A Fuses with 320/400A Meter Can) is likely the best solution, as it provides headroom, meets code, and allows for future load growth. It is the most comprehensive upgrade.
Steps to Take
Contact the AHJ and Utility
Discuss your options with the electrical inspector and the utility company.2.
Get Permits
Obtain the necessary permits for the work.3.
Hire a Qualified Electrician
Use a licensed and experienced electrician who is familiar with generator installations and local codes.4.
Choose and Install an ATS
Select an ATS that is properly sized for your generator and load. Ensure it is installed according to the manufacturer's instructions and all applicable codes.
Important Notes
Never attempt electrical work if you are not qualified.
Always follow all applicable codes and regulations. Safety is paramount. Get everything inspected and approved by the AHJ.*By following these guidelines, you can ensure a safe and code-compliant generator installation for your customer. Flag for review