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Topic: Existing ground needs to be encased in concrete.

User: ROHM, Location: USA

Asked on: Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 5:54 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:28 am EST

Question: I have an existing ground that attaches to the cable tray and goes to the ground grid underneath the concrete foundation. Please see attached photo with the ground in question circled in red. The concrete slab that will be poured to seperate the containments will encase the ground wire to the heigh marked in yellow. My question is whether I can have the existing ground stay where it is and have concreted poured up to the yellow height or do I have to remove it and relocate it?What does the NEC say about ground wires (insulated) in concrete?

Okay, I've reviewed your description and the photo (assuming you would have provided the photo). Based on standard electrical practices and the NEC (National Electrical Code), here's a breakdown of the situation and what the code says, along with considerations

NEC Considerations for Grounding Conductors in Concrete

The NEC generally allows grounding and bonding conductors to be embedded in concrete. However, there are some key points and potential issues: Insulation

The NEC doesn't explicitly
require insulation on grounding electrode conductors (GECs) or bonding jumpers when embedded in concrete. Bare copper is commonly used and permitted,

BUT
it is very important to know what kind of cable this is. If it is a GEC (Grounding Electrode Conductor), then you may have a bit more flexibility, if it is a Equipment Grounding Conductor (EGC), then you may not have as much. Corrosion

Concrete is alkaline and can corrode bare copper over time, especially if moisture and chlorides are present. While the NEC doesn't forbid it, good engineering practice often suggests either: Using insulated conductors. Ensuring the concrete mix is designed to minimize corrosion potential (e.g., low chloride content).

Mechanical Protection

The conductor must be adequately protected from physical damage
during and after the concrete pour. This is more of a concern for smaller conductors.

Accessibility

Once encased in concrete, the conductor is obviously not easily accessible for inspection or repair.

Analysis of Your Specific Situation


Based on your description and the photo, here's a breakdown of the critical points:1. Type of Conductor

This is the most important factor. Is this conductor:

A Grounding Electrode Conductor (GEC)?
This connects to a grounding electrode (e.g., ground rod, ground grid) and is used to connect the electrical system to earth. GECs have more leeway in the NEC. An Equipment Grounding Conductor (EGC)? This connects non-current-carrying metal parts of equipment (e.g., enclosures, conduit) back to the electrical panel to provide a low-impedance path for fault current. EGCs are more critical for safety during fault conditions. A Bonding Jumper? This connects different metal parts to ensure electrical continuity and equalize potential.You must determine which of these it is to make the right decision. How does it connect to the ground grid? How does it connect to the cable tray?2. Corrosion Risk

Embedding copper in concrete
always presents some corrosion risk. The extent of the risk depends on the concrete mix, moisture levels, and the presence of salts.3.

Accessibility

Enclosing the conductor in concrete makes future inspection and repairs impossible without breaking the concrete.

Recommendations


Given the above, here's a recommended approach:1. Identify the Conductor Type (Critical)

Trace the conductor's origin and termination points.
Is it a GEC, EGC, or Bonding Jumper? This determines which NEC rules apply most directly and the criticality of its function.2.

Evaluate the Concrete Environment

Consider the concrete mix design. Is it a standard mix, or is it designed to be low-chloride or corrosion-resistant? What is the likelihood of moisture exposure in the area?3.

If it is a GEC (Grounding Electrode Conductor)



Option 1 (Generally Acceptable)

Leave the conductor in place and pour the concrete. However, consider the corrosion risk. If the concrete is likely to be damp or contain chlorides, consider applying a corrosion-inhibiting coating to the conductor before the pour, or encasing the section within the concrete in a PVC conduit.

Option 2 (Better Practice)

If feasible without major disruption, replace the bare conductor with an insulated one (THHN, XHHW, or similar) where it will be embedded in the concrete. This significantly reduces corrosion risk. Make sure the insulation is rated for direct burial if applicable.4.

If it is an EGC (Equipment Grounding Conductor) or Bonding Jumper



Relocate or Protect (Preferred)

It's highly recommended to either: Relocate the conductor outside of the concrete pour area. This provides accessibility for future inspection and maintenance. Encase the conductor in rigid metal conduit (RMC) or intermediate metal conduit (IMC) before the concrete pour. This provides excellent physical protection and allows for future replacement if needed. Make sure the conduit is properly bonded. Consider using PVC-coated RMC for added corrosion protection.

If Relocation or Full Protection is Impossible (Least Desirable)

If you absolutely
must embed it, replace the bare conductor with an insulated conductor (THHN, XHHW) and ensure the concrete mix is low-chloride. Document this decision thoroughly, as future maintenance will be difficult. The insulation should be rated for the environment. In this case, consider adding a redundant ground path to the cable tray to ensure there is no loss of ground.5.

Mechanical Protection During Pour

Regardless of the option you choose, ensure the conductor is adequately supported and protected during the concrete pour to prevent damage.6.

Documentation

Document your decision, including the type of conductor, the concrete mix design, any corrosion protection measures taken, and any redundant grounding provisions. This is critical for future reference.

Specific NEC Sections to Consider



NEC 250.64 (Grounding Electrode Conductor Installation)

Covers installation requirements for GECs, including protection from physical damage.


NEC 250.118 (Types of Equipment Grounding Conductors)

Lists acceptable types of EGCs.

NEC 250.130 (Equipment Grounding)

Addresses grounding of equipment.


NEC 300.5 (Underground Installations)

While this primarily covers underground wiring, it provides general guidance on protection from physical damage and corrosion, which can be relevant to concrete-embedded conductors.

Important Considerations



Local Codes

Always check with your local electrical inspector for any specific requirements or interpretations in your jurisdiction. Local codes can be stricter than the NEC.


Engineering Judgement

Ultimately, the decision rests on sound engineering judgment. Consider all factors, including the criticality of the ground, the potential for corrosion, and the feasibility of alternative solutions.

Safety First:
Prioritize safety. An improperly grounded system can create significant hazards.In summary, while the NEC permits embedding grounding conductors in concrete, it's not always the best* practice, especially for EGCs. Relocating or providing robust protection (conduit) are generally preferable, especially if you don't know what the ground cable is used for. Flag for review

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