User: electro7, Location: Northern CA, US
Asked on: Thursday, December 26, 2024 at 3:13 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:41 am EST
Question: Was wondering if the attached panelboard could be rated at 225A instead of 400A. All the breakers are for inverters except the 20A, which is for the DAS system. Let me know your thoughts.
Okay, let's analyze whether a 225A panelboard would be suitable instead of the existing 400A panelboard, given the provided information about inverter circuits and a DAS system. To give you a confident answer, I need to make some assumptions and guide you through the necessary calculations.
Here's the breakdown of factors to consider and the thought process
Inverter Output Current
This is the MOST critical factor. You need to determine the maximum continuous output current of each inverter connected to the panelboard.2.
Code Requirements - 125% Rule
The National Electrical Code (NEC) requires that circuits feeding continuous loads (like inverters, which are assumed to operate near their maximum output for extended periods) be sized at 125% of the continuous load. This is crucial for safety and to prevent overheating.3.
DAS System Load
This needs to be added to the total load as well.4.
Panelboard Rating
The panelboard's rating must be equal to or greater than the calculated load.
Here's a step-by-step approach to determine if a 225A panelboard is sufficient
Step 1: Determine Inverter Output Currents
Gather the following information for each inverter connected to the panelboard:
Maximum Continuous AC Output Current (Amps)
This is the most important number. It's typically found on the inverter's nameplate or in its specification sheet. It is not the DC input current. It's the AC current the inverter can continuously deliver to the panelboard.
Step 2: Apply the 125% Rule to Inverter Circuits
For each inverter, multiply its maximum continuous AC output current by 1.25. This is the minimum required ampacity of the branch circuit feeding that inverter.
Step 3: Sum the Adjusted Inverter Currents
Add up all the 125% adjusted currents from Step 2. This is the total calculated inverter load.
Step 4: Add the DAS System Load
Add the 20A DAS system load to the total calculated inverter load from Step 3.
Step 5: Compare to the Panelboard Rating
Compare the total calculated load (from Step 4) to the proposed 225A panelboard rating.
The Decision
If the total calculated load is less than or equal to 225A, then a 225A panelboard could be sufficient. However, consider future expansion. If the total calculated load exceeds 225A, then a 225A panelboard is not sufficient, and the 400A panelboard (or a larger one) is required.
Important Considerations and Caveats
Future Expansion
Even if a 225A panelboard is currently adequate, consider whether you anticipate adding more inverters or other loads in the future. It's often wise to provide some headroom.
Voltage Drop
While the current rating is the primary concern, also check the voltage drop on the feeder to the panelboard, especially if the distance from the main service is significant.
Breaker Availability
Ensure that you can find suitably sized breakers for all the inverter circuits that will fit within the 225A panelboard.
Short-Circuit Current Rating (SCCR)
The panelboard's SCCR must be sufficient for the available fault current at its location. This is a critical safety consideration. If you're changing the panelboard, ensure the new one has an adequate SCCR.
Local Codes and Regulations
Always comply with all applicable local electrical codes and regulations. A licensed electrician should perform the final calculations and make the determination.
Derating
Consider the ambient temperature of where the panelboard will be located. High temperatures can cause conductors and breakers to derate.
Example
Let's say you have the following inverters: Inverter 1: 40A continuous output Inverter 2: 40A continuous output Inverter 3: 30A continuous output Inverter 4: 30A continuous output1.
125% Rule
Inverter 1: 40A 1.25 = 50A Inverter 2: 40A 1.25 = 50A Inverter 3: 30A 1.25 = 37.5A Inverter 4: 30A 1.25 = 37.5A2.
Sum of Adjusted Currents
50A + 50A + 37.5A + 37.5A = 175A3.
Add DAS System
175A + 20A = 195A
Conclusion (in this example)
In this hypothetical scenario, a 225A panelboard would likely be sufficient because the calculated load (195A) is less than the panelboard's rating. However, this is just an example. You must perform the calculations using the actual output currents of your inverters.
Recommendation
Gather the inverter output current information.2. Perform the calculations meticulously.3. Consult with a licensed electrician. They can verify your calculations, consider all applicable codes and regulations, and ensure that the installation is safe and compliant.Do you have the output current ratings of your inverters? If you provide those, I can help you with the calculations! Flag for review