User: JLTSKFL, Location: Tampa
Asked on: Saturday, December 28, 2024 at 11:58 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:45 am EST
Question: I'm a 30 year Electrical Engineer who is rewiring my own residential house (which I've done before several times.) I don't have the NEC memorized so I'm asking for specific advice here.The house has an appropriately sized panel in the garage, and most of the house wiring runs through a crawlspace, into the basement, and off to all the separate branches.I'd like to run a large conduit from the garage panel through the crawlspace and into the basement for distribution using THWN. The conduit would feed into a large junction box, individual THWN conductors would be run from the panel to this box, then each would tie to romex for distribution. The question is, can one large (appropriately sized) conductor be used as a shared neutral to a bus bar in the junction box as it seems inefficient to run fifteen separate neutrals. There is actually already a previously added batch of similar circuits with four breaker fed branches that share one larger neutral, which passed inspection, but I don't know if that meets code today or if there is some upper limit to this concept.Also, is there a maximum amount of separate circuits that can be run to one junction box regardless if the physical size of the box is large enough for x circuits? Yes, I know how to size the conduit for x THWN wires, but didn't know if there's code for number of circuits in a junction box, as the previously added 4 circuits I mentioned are stuffed into a pretty small junction box and it passed previously.Alternately, I can switch out the panel for a smaller whole house breaker at the service entrance and run a full sub panel if this is allowed/preferred.I'd like to have a proposal to submit which hopefully will meet NEC without having to go back and forth with the county fifty times.Thanks.
Okay, let's break down your plan and address the NEC concerns for your residential rewire project. This advice is based on common NEC interpretations, but it's crucial to consult your local electrical inspector and follow their specific requirements. They have the final say.
Regarding Shared Neutrals (Multi-Wire Branch Circuits)
Yes, you CAN use a shared neutral, BUT it's limited to Multi-Wire Branch Circuits (MWBCs) and has specific requirements. What you're describing sounds like you're trying to create multiple MWBCs. NEC Article 210.4 covers Multi-Wire Branch Circuits. A MWBC is a circuit consisting of two or more ungrounded (hot) conductors having a voltage between them, and a grounded (neutral) conductor having equal voltage between it and each ungrounded conductor of the circuit and which is connected to the neutral or grounded conductor of the system. Crucial Requirement: Common Disconnect. NEC 210.4(B) requires that all hot conductors of a MWBC originate from the same panel and are disconnected simultaneously by a single device (multi-pole breaker). This is critical for safety. You cannot have the hot conductors on separate single-pole breakers. Neutral Size
The neutral conductor must be sized appropriately for the maximum unbalanced load. In a purely resistive load situation (lights, heaters), the neutral will likely carry the same current as the hot conductors. If you have significant non-linear loads (electronics with switching power supplies, LED lighting), the neutral current can be higher due to harmonics. Consider oversizing the neutral if you anticipate a high percentage of non-linear loads.
Example
You can run a 12/3 cable (12 AWG hot, hot, neutral) from a 2-pole 20A breaker to supply two separate circuits. Each hot would serve its own receptacles/lights, but they share the neutral. The breakers must be a two-pole breaker. If you were to run 12/2 to two separate circuits sharing a neutral, they must be controlled by a 2-pole breaker.
Why This Matters
Without the common disconnect (multi-pole breaker), if one hot conductor shorts to ground, the neutral can become energized on the other circuit(s) that share it. This is a serious safety hazard. Also, without a properly sized neutral, it can be overloaded.
Can I do what was done before?
No. I can guarantee that the existing batch of similar circuits with four breaker fed branches that share one larger neutral, which passed inspection, does not meet NEC, assuming they are controlled by individual breakers. This is not allowed.
Regarding Your Plan to Run All Wires to a Junction Box
Junction Box Fill
You are correct that you need to calculate the box fill based on the number of conductors, devices (splices, etc.), and equipment grounding conductors entering the box. NEC Article 314 covers outlet boxes, junction boxes, and handhole enclosures.
Number of Conductors
NEC 314.16 dictates the maximum number of conductors allowed in a box based on its size (volume).
Clamps
You also need to consider space for clamps or connectors if required.
Derating
If you have many current-carrying conductors in a single conduit or junction box, you may need to derate the ampacity of the conductors (NEC 310.15(C)).
Physical Accessibility
While a large junction box can theoretically handle many circuits based on fill calculations, practical accessibility becomes a concern. Working on circuits crammed into a tight space is difficult and can lead to mistakes.
Practical Recommendation
While the code might allow for a massive junction box with 15+ circuits, it's
strongly discouraged for residential work. It's better practice (and often safer) to use multiple smaller junction boxes or a sub-panel.
Is there a maximum amount of separate circuits that can be run to one junction box regardless if the physical size of the box is large enough for x circuits?
Yes. As mentioned above, the NEC determines the maximum number of conductors allowed in a box based on its size, which ultimately limits the number of circuits.
Switching to a Sub-Panel: The Better Approach
Given your scenario, running a sub-panel is the recommended and safer solution. Here's why: Simplifies Wiring
Reduces the complexity and congestion of a large junction box.
Better Organization
Provides a dedicated space for each circuit, making troubleshooting and future modifications easier.
Code Compliance
More straightforward to comply with NEC requirements for conductor fill, derating, and accessibility.
Future Expansion
Offers capacity for future circuits without having to add more junction boxes.
Safety
Reduces the risk of accidental shorts or miswiring in a crowded junction box.
How to Implement the Sub-Panel
Calculate Load
Determine the total load you expect on the sub-panel. This will dictate the size of the sub-panel (number of breaker spaces) and the size of the feeder conductors (wires running from the main panel to the sub-panel).2.
Feeder Conductor Size
Size the feeder conductors according to the calculated load, ampacity tables in the NEC (Table 310.16), and any derating factors. Use THWN conductors for wet or damp locations.
3.
Conduit Size
Select the appropriate conduit size to accommodate the feeder conductors (based on NEC Chapter 9, Table 4).4.
Grounding
Run a separate equipment grounding conductor (EGC) from the main panel to the sub-panel.
Do not use the neutral conductor as the grounding conductor in the sub-panel. Bond the sub-panel enclosure to the EGC.5. Sub-Panel Installation
Install the sub-panel according to the manufacturer's instructions and NEC Article 408 (Switchboards and Panelboards). Ensure proper bonding of the enclosure.6.
Breaker Installation
Install the appropriate breakers in the sub-panel for each circuit.7.
Wiring
Run individual circuits from the sub-panel to their respective locations using appropriate wiring methods (Romex, conduit, etc.).8.
Labeling
Clearly label all circuits in both the main panel and the sub-panel.
Proposal to Submit to the County
Your proposal should clearly outline your plan, including:1.
Load Calculation
Include a detailed load calculation for the proposed sub-panel.2.
Sub-Panel Specifications
Specify the size (number of breaker spaces) and ampacity rating of the sub-panel.3.
Feeder Conductor Information
Specify the size, type (THWN), and quantity of the feeder conductors.4.
Conduit Specifications
Specify the size and type of conduit.5.
Grounding Method
Describe how the sub-panel will be grounded (separate EGC).6.
Wiring Methods
Specify the wiring methods to be used for branch circuits (Romex, conduit, etc.).7.
Diagram
Include a simple diagram showing the wiring configuration from the main panel to the sub-panel, including the grounding connection.8.
Statement of Compliance
State that the installation will comply with the latest edition of the NEC (specify the edition adopted by your local jurisdiction) and any applicable local amendments.
Example Proposal Snippet
"This proposal outlines the installation of a 125A sub-panel in the basement to distribute power to branch circuits throughout the house. The sub-panel will be fed from the main panel in the garage using 3 #2 AWG THWN conductors (2 hot, 1 neutral) and a #8 AWG THWN equipment grounding conductor, all run in 1 1/4" PVC conduit. The sub-panel will be grounded via a separate equipment grounding conductor back to the main panel. All branch circuits will be wired using NM-B (Romex) cable and will be protected by appropriately sized circuit breakers in the sub-panel. The installation will comply with the 2020 National Electrical Code and all applicable local amendments."
Important Considerations
Local Amendments
Your local jurisdiction may have amendments to the NEC. Make sure you are aware of these and incorporate them into your plan.
Inspection
Be prepared for inspections at various stages of the project (e.g., before covering wiring).*
Safety: Always prioritize safety. Work de-energized whenever possible. Use proper personal protective equipment (PPE). If you are unsure about anything, consult with a qualified electrician.By taking a thorough and well-documented approach, you can increase the likelihood of your proposal being approved and ensure a safe and code-compliant electrical system for your home. Good luck! Flag for review