User: clemver, Location: USA
Asked on: Monday, January 6, 2025 at 11:33 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 6:58 am EST
Question: I was always under the impression that both are sized per the nameplate specs. If I have a name plate that reads:"Maximum overcurrent protective device - 25A""Minimum circuit ampacity - 18.1A"That lets me put a 25A breaker in and I can run #12cu to the unit.https://imgur.com/a/QJLSspP
You are generally correct in your understanding, but let's break it down with some important clarifications based on the image you provided
Your Assumptions:
"Maximum overcurrent protective device - 25A" means you can use a 25A breaker
Correct. The manufacturer is stating the
maximum breaker size you can use without potentially damaging the equipment in an overcurrent situation. "Minimum circuit ampacity - 18.1A" means you can run #12 Cu wire
Likely correct,
but with a critical caveat
You need to verify the #12 Cu wire is rated for at least 20 Amps. Standard #12 Cu THHN is rated for 20 Amps per NEC Table 310.16 (in the 75-degree C column, assuming normal termination temperature limitations). So far, so good. The 18.1A figure accounts for all loading on that circuit. This means the 18.1A should incorporate the motor's current and any other auxiliary loads.
Why it Works (Generally)
The NEC (National Electrical Code) allows you to size the overcurrent protection and conductors based on the appliance's nameplate ratings, especially for motor-operated equipment. The "Minimum Circuit Ampacity" essentially tells you the minimum current-carrying capacity the circuit needs to handle, including a safety factor.
Important Considerations and potential issues
Motor Starting Current
Motors draw significantly more current when starting than when running at full speed. The "Maximum Overcurrent Protective Device" rating is designed to allow for this inrush current without nuisance tripping.
Continuous Load
If the load is considered continuous (operates at its maximum current for 3 hours or more at a time), you need to apply a derating factor of 125% to the continuous portion of the load. For example, if the 18.1 amps is considered the continuous portion of the load, you would need a conductor and OCPD rated for at least 22.625 amps. This would change the wire size to #10 AWG since #12 is only rated for 20 amps.
Specific Equipment Instructions
Always, always, always read the manufacturer's installation instructions thoroughly. They may have specific requirements or exceptions that supersede general NEC rules.
In Summary
Based on the information you provided, and assuming no other loads are connected to the same circuit and the load is not continuous, your understanding is generally correct. You could use a 25A breaker and #12 Cu wire.
I strongly recommend verifying the following before proceeding
The ampacity of the specific #12 Cu wire you are using. Ensure it's at least 20 Amps.2. That the 18.1A includes all loads on the circuit.3. Whether the load is continuous or not.4. Consult the complete* installation instructions for the equipment. There might be nuances specific to that model.
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