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Topic: Supplemental Nameplate for Motors with Upstream Speed Control

User: emu44, Location: Jacksonville, FL

Asked on: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 at 9:31 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:03 am EST

Question: I have a fan replacement (Commercial HVAC) project where a customer requires motor redundancy, so they are going with ECMs. We are limited on amp draw due to their existing electrical architecture. The selection of EC Fans that we want to use gives the good reliability (redundancy) but at the cost of a higher overall FLA due to the extra motors, slightly too high for their electrical architecture. For the chosen EC Motors, they just require a 0-10V speed signal for modulation, no upstream VFD required.This specific operating point they will be at does not require the motors to ever modulate more then 75%, even on a failed motor scenario, so the nameplate values will never be hit. This means that the actual amp draw would never be more than what their building can handle. We have the ability to limit the speed signal upstream to all motors via firmware so that we never send more then 7.5V.The EC fan manufacturers already have a firmware limit inside of their motor controls in the motor itself that limits the performance and determines the OEM nameplate values. If that firmware limit is now upstream of the motor, does that mean we can/cant put a new nameplate on the motor?In order to provide the required redundancy without having to rip out the existing architecture, could we put on a new nameplate on the motors that have the speed control limit applied? The motor manufacturer would have the ability to reflash the onboard firmware with new speed limits, but we have the capability to limit the speed on our own.I cant find anywhere in the NEC that discusses software/firmware limitations on motors, maybe someone can point me in the right direction.

This is a tricky situation that walks a fine line between practicality, code compliance, and potential liability. Let's break down the issues and considerations

NEC and Nameplate Data - The Letter of the Law (Which is Vague in This Case)

You're correct that the NEC doesn't directly address firmware limits on motors. The NEC primarily concerns itself with the physical characteristics of the motor, its intended operating conditions, and the associated wiring and protection. The NEC relies on the nameplate as the official, certified declaration of those characteristics. NEC 430.7 (Motor Nameplate Data)

This section is the heart of the matter. It lists the required information on a motor nameplate: voltage, full-load current (FLA), frequency, horsepower, speed, temperature rating, etc. The implication is that the
actual performance of the motor must match the information on the nameplate under normal operating conditions.

UL Standards

Motor manufacturers often rely on Underwriters Laboratories (UL) standards (or similar organizations) to certify their products. These standards also focus on the physical characteristics and performance described by the nameplate.

Why This is Problematic (Even if It Seems Okay in Practice)


Here's why simply slapping a new nameplate on the motor without the motor manufacturer's explicit involvement and potentially recertification is a dangerous idea:1. Liability

If anything goes wrong, you are now wholly responsible. If the motor fails, or worse, causes a fire or injury, and it can be traced back to the inaccurate nameplate, you (and potentially your company) are exposed to significant legal and financial liability. Your insurance company will likely not cover this type of modification.2.

Code Compliance

While the NEC doesn't explicitly prohibit it, modifying a nameplate, especially without appropriate justification or testing, essentially makes the installation non-compliant. An inspector could red-tag the installation, and you'd be required to revert to the original configuration or find another solution.3.

Motor Protection

The motor's internal protection devices (overload protection, thermal sensors, etc.) are designed based on the original nameplate data. If the actual performance is lower than the nameplate indicates, the motor's protection could be inadequate in some unforeseen scenario. For instance, a stalled motor might not trip the overload protection quickly enough if the protection is based on a higher FLA.4.

Warranty

Modifying the nameplate likely voids the motor manufacturer's warranty.5.

Ethical Considerations

Tampering with a UL listing can be seen as an ethical issue.

Alternatives and Considerations


Here's a breakdown of your potential options, in order of safety and code-compliance:1. Best Option: Work Directly with the Motor Manufacturer

This is by far the safest and most responsible approach. Explain your situation in detail to the motor manufacturer. They may be able to: Provide a motor with a factory-programmed firmware limit and a matching nameplate. This would require new testing and certification. This is the most legitimate and compliant solution. Officially derate the motor and provide documentation for the derating, along with a revised nameplate. Provide a letter of no objection to your proposed external speed limitation, acknowledging that the motor's characteristics are altered, and stating that it does not invalidate the warranty.

This is a longshot, but worth asking.
Recommend a different motor model that meets your FLA requirements and provides the necessary redundancy.2. Oversize the Electrical Feed

This is often the most reliable approach, even if it seems initially unattractive. Explore the cost of upgrading the electrical service to handle the actual nameplate FLA. Yes, it's an upfront cost, but it eliminates the risk associated with nameplate modifications. Consider the long-term implications: Is the building likely to need more electrical capacity in the future anyway?3.

Load Shedding

Implement a load-shedding system that prevents other high-current devices from operating concurrently with the fan system. This requires careful analysis of the building's electrical load and control logic to ensure that the load shedding is reliable and doesn't negatively impact other critical systems.4.

Very Risky, Not Recommended: Apply a new nameplate yourself



I strongly advise against this.
It's a legal and ethical minefield. You would need extremely comprehensive testing to validate the derated performance and ensure the motor's safety. If you were to consider this (again, not recommended), you would need to: Conduct thorough testing to determine the new, derated performance characteristics of the motor (FLA, starting torque, temperature rise, etc.). Have the testing certified by a qualified, independent testing laboratory. Create a new nameplate that accurately reflects the derated performance and includes a clear disclaimer stating that the motor has been modified and the original manufacturer's warranty is void. Provide detailed documentation to the customer explaining the modification and the associated risks. Obtain written consent from the customer acknowledging the modification and accepting the associated risks.

Key Considerations Before Proceeding Document Everything

Meticulously document all calculations, assumptions, and decisions made. This is crucial for liability protection.


Third-Party Review

Have your proposed solution reviewed by a qualified electrical engineer with experience in motor applications and NEC compliance.

Customer Communication

Be completely transparent with the customer about the potential risks and benefits of each option.


Insurance Coverage

Consult with your insurance company to determine if your policy covers modifications to electrical equipment.

In Summary


The best course of action is to work closely with the motor manufacturer to find a solution that meets your needs and complies with all applicable codes and standards. While it may seem tempting to take shortcuts, the potential risks and liabilities are simply not worth it. Modifying the motor performance should be completed by the manufacturer.Don't risk your reputation or your company's financial stability. Flag for review

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