User: CoolWill, Location: Alabama
Asked on: Wednesday, January 8, 2025 at 10:20 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:03 am EST
Question: We live in a world that is different than just a few years ago. Not only are LEDs everywhere, but VFD controlled appliances and heat pumps and PWM regulated ovens etc. are increasingly common. These loads are rapidly switching causing line voltage to sag and rise over and over. This combination of factors has added a new source of light flicker that apparently hasn't been widely reported on. The old one/off loads would just cause a minor dimming that was normal and hardly noticed. But this rapid switching is very visible now. I first noticed two years ago. I bought a new "inverter direct drive" washer. And the cheap LED in my dining room went crazy when the washer was running. Flicker rate of between 3 and probably 20 Hz. I tried a better quality LED lamp and it definitely helped, but it didn't solve it completely.I did some experiments with different lamps to see what would work, and of my locally available choices I found that expensive Philips LED bulbs didn't flicker and also incandescent and CFL were steady.But now, I'm running into trying to explain this to customers. Obviously the best answer for the time being is "don't buy cheap bulbs", but that just isn't going to sit well with them. Already I've seen the skeptical glint in their eyes as I'm explaining the theory. Too bad, I know, but we need to push this out there more. The internet is at present very sparse on this info. Searching for this exact phenomenon leads to the classic explanations of light flicker: bad connections, large loads momentarily kicking on, etc.One job I have has the inverter-driven mini-split heat pumps making 300 cheap LEDs in a ballroom flickering. They were unwilling to change the bulbs because they aren't satisfied with the look of the lamps necessary to be effective. So I installed a double conversion online UPS for the lighting circuits. This works very well... EXCEPT every now and then, when the heat pumps begin to ramp up, the UPS goes to battery only mode for a few minutes with subsequent annoying alarm. At this job I have the freedom to casually poke around and so I took the heat pump cover off and temporarily added 50000 uF of capacitance to the DC bus ahead of the VFD. There is 2000 uF already built in. This experiment worked like a charm. Even without the UPS, the flicker is ALMOST unnoticeable. This tells me that appliance manufacturers could solve the problem, but probably won't.So please spread the word and let me know what other angles we can attack. Sorry for the long winded post.
You've hit on a crucial and increasingly prevalent issue: the interaction between modern energy-efficient appliances and LED lighting, leading to noticeable and disruptive flicker. You're also spot on about the current lack of widespread awareness and the difficulty in explaining the problem to customers. Let's break down the problem and potential solutions
Understanding the Problem
The Culprit: Rapid Load Changes
Modern appliances, particularly those using Variable Frequency Drives (VFDs) or Pulse Width Modulation (PWM), like inverter-driven washers, dryers, heat pumps, and even some ovens, don't simply switch on and off. They rapidly adjust power levels, creating cyclical demands on the electrical grid. These rapid changes cause instantaneous voltage sags and surges on the power line.
LED Sensitivity
LEDs are very sensitive to voltage fluctuations. Incandescent bulbs, with their thermal inertia, tend to smooth out minor voltage variations. Similarly, CFLs have some buffering effect. Cheap LEDs, in particular, often lack sophisticated power regulation circuitry and are extremely susceptible to flicker when the voltage dips.
Grid Implications
As more and more homes and businesses adopt these energy-efficient appliances, the aggregate effect on the grid becomes more pronounced, amplifying the flicker issue. This is especially true on older electrical grids that may not have the capacity or infrastructure to handle these rapidly fluctuating loads.
Why This Isn't Widely Discussed Relatively New Phenomenon
The problem is relatively new and has become much more noticeable as the adoption of VFD/PWM-controlled appliances and cheap LEDs has proliferated.
Complexity
Explaining the interaction between appliances, grid fluctuations, and LED driver technology is inherently complex.
Lack of Standardization
There isn't a widely accepted standard for LED flicker performance under these dynamic load conditions. Bulb manufacturers are often focused on metrics like lumens, color temperature, and energy efficiency, not flicker under real-world fluctuating voltage scenarios.
Blame Game
Homeowners often blame the LED bulbs (rightly so in some cases), but the underlying cause is often the interaction between the appliances and the grid.
Traditional Flicker Measurement Limitations
Existing flicker metrics (e.g., Flicker Index, Percent Flicker) are often measured under steady-state conditions, not the dynamic conditions created by these fluctuating loads.
Potential Solutions and Angles of Attack1. Education and Awareness
Create Explanatory Materials
Develop a simple, non-technical explanation (with visuals!) of the problem that you can share with customers. Include diagrams showing the voltage fluctuations and how they affect different types of light bulbs. A well-crafted handout or short video can go a long way.
Local Utilities
Try to engage with your local power utility. They may be unaware of the scale of the issue and could potentially investigate grid stability or offer recommendations. This is a long shot, but worth pursuing.
Industry Associations
Alert industry associations (electrical contractors, lighting designers) to this issue. The more widespread the knowledge, the more pressure there will be for manufacturers to address it.
Online Forums/Blogs
Share your experiences and observations on relevant online forums and blogs. The more people talking about it, the better.2.
Mitigation Strategies (From Your Perspective) High-Quality LEDs
You're correct – better quality LEDs with more robust power regulation are generally more resilient to voltage fluctuations. Emphasize this, even if it's a hard sell.
Dimmer Compatibility
If dimming is involved, make sure the LEDs are specifically compatible with the dimmer type being used (e.g., leading-edge vs. trailing-edge).
Consider Incandescent/CFLs in Sensitive Areas
While not the most energy-efficient, incandescent or CFL bulbs may be the best option in rooms where flicker is highly noticeable or disruptive.
Dedicated Circuits
Running the problematic appliance on a dedicated circuit might help, but this isn't a guaranteed solution and can be costly. However, it could isolate the issue slightly.
Power Conditioners/Voltage Regulators
Investigate using power conditioners or voltage regulators. These devices can stabilize the voltage supply to the lighting circuits, reducing flicker. These are different from UPS units, and do not typically provide battery backup, only voltage regulation.
Surge Protection
Ensure proper surge protection is installed. While this won't fix flicker, it can protect sensitive electronics from voltage spikes associated with appliance switching.
Load Balancing
Ensure the electrical panel is properly balanced across all phases. Uneven loads can exacerbate voltage fluctuations.
Experiment with LED Driver Technology
Some LED bulbs use constant current drivers while others use constant voltage drivers. Experiment with both types to see if one is more resistant to the flicker issue.
Ferrite Beads
Experiment placing ferrite beads on the power wires for the LEDs. While their effect may be minimal, they may reduce any high frequency noise contributing to flicker.3.
Mitigation Strategies (For Appliance Manufacturers)
Increased DC Bus Capacitance
As your experiment demonstrated, increasing the DC bus capacitance in appliances with VFDs can significantly reduce voltage fluctuations. Push for this in appliance design. This may involve writing directly to manufacturers!
Active Harmonic Filters
Appliance manufacturers could incorporate active harmonic filters to reduce the harmonics injected back into the grid.
Power Factor Correction
Implement better power factor correction in appliance designs.
Slower Ramp-Up Times
Consider slowing down the ramp-up times of VFDs to reduce the instantaneous demand on the electrical grid.4.
Mitigation Strategies (For LED Manufacturers)
Improved Power Regulation
Demand better power regulation circuitry in LED bulbs, specifically designed to handle fluctuating voltage conditions.
Flicker Testing Under Dynamic Loads
LED manufacturers should test and rate their bulbs for flicker performance under realistic dynamic load conditions, not just steady-state conditions.
Publish Flicker Resistance Ratings
Create a new metric for flicker resistance that can be easily understood by consumers.
Develop LEDs specifically for sensitive applications.5. UPS Solutions (With Caveats)
Sizing and Settings
Carefully size the UPS to handle the inrush current of all the connected loads plus the expected fluctuations from the heat pumps. Adjust the UPS settings to be less sensitive to minor voltage dips. Some UPS units have adjustable voltage tolerance.
Pure Sine Wave Output
Ensure the UPS provides a pure sine wave output.
Bypass Mode Considerations
Understand how the UPS handles bypass mode. If it switches to bypass mode too easily, it defeats the purpose of voltage regulation.
Battery Capacity
Consider a larger battery capacity if frequent switching to battery mode is a problem.
Higher Quality UPS
A higher quality UPS may handle the load fluctuations more gracefully without switching to battery mode.
Communicating with Customers Acknowledge the Problem is Real
Validate their experience. Tell them you understand this is a common and frustrating issue.
Explain the Technicalities (Simply)
Use analogies. "Think of your electrical system like a water pipe. When a big appliance turns on, it's like opening a fire hydrant – the water pressure drops momentarily for everyone else."
Present Options, Not Blame
Focus on solutions, not assigning blame. "Here are a few things we can try to minimize the flicker…"
Offer a Guarantee (If Possible)
If you're confident in a particular solution (e.g., specific LED bulbs), offer a guarantee.*
Manage Expectations
Be upfront that complete elimination of flicker may not always be possible, especially in older homes with less stable electrical systems.
In Conclusion
This is a complex problem that requires a multi-faceted approach. By raising awareness, advocating for better appliance and LED design, and providing informed solutions to your customers, you can play a key role in mitigating this increasingly common issue. Good luck! Flag for review