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Topic: HOA Condo Electrical

User: td1236, Location: California

Asked on: Thursday, January 9, 2025 at 9:12 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:07 am EST

Question: With new insurance policy’s in California, they are requiring equipment they deem to be hazardous or outdated to be replaced, many insurance companies are canceling policies for non compliance.This complex has 90 units with 11 meter bank locations, most of the locations have a 400 amp disconnect feeding a meter bank. One of the locations has a 600 amp switch gear.Was wondering what the general approach should be here, as far as finding the equipment, setting it up, and dealing with PGE, I assume this will have to go through PGEs design engineering department.

Okay, this is a significant undertaking, but here's a breakdown of a general approach to replacing outdated electrical equipment in your 90-unit complex, focusing on compliance with California insurance requirements, identifying the equipment, planning, and working with PG&E

1. Understand the Insurance Requirements and Scope of Work:
Obtain Specific Requirements in Writing

The
absolute first step is to get detailed documentation from the insurance company. Don't rely on hearsay. You need to know:

Which Specific Equipment Types are Flagged as Hazardous/Outdated

This is critical. Are they concerned about: Specific brands/models of disconnects or switchgear? (Federal Pacific Electric, Zinsco, etc.) Age of the equipment? Amperage ratings? Condition (corrosion, visible damage)? Arc fault protection (AFCI) requirements? Ground Fault protection (GFCI) requirements? Specific code violations? (e.g., improper grounding, inadequate clearances) Requirements to upgrade to current code standards.

Documentation Required for Compliance

What proof will the insurance company need to verify the replacements? (e.g., permits, inspection reports, invoices).


Deadlines

What is the timeframe for completing the replacements?

Consequences of Non-Compliance

Get in writing the specific repercussions of not meeting the requirements (policy cancellation, premium increases, etc.).


Review Local Codes and Regulations

While the insurance requirements drive this project, you must ensure your solution complies with all applicable California electrical codes (Title 24, California Electrical Code – CEC), and local city/county ordinances. These may go beyond the insurance requirements.

2. Assessment and Documentation of Existing Equipment



Detailed Inventory

Create a comprehensive inventory of ALL electrical equipment at each of the 12 meter bank locations (11 x 400A disconnects + 1 x 600A switchgear). This is where you start spending time on site:


Location

Clearly identify the location of each piece of equipment (building number, meter bank location).

Equipment Type

Specifically, is it a disconnect switch, panelboard, switchgear, or something else?


Manufacturer

Record the manufacturer name (e.g., Square D, Eaton, Siemens).

Model Number

This is
critical for determining if the equipment is on a flagged list.

Serial Number

(if available)

Amperage Rating

(400A, 600A, etc.)


Voltage Rating

(e.g., 120/240V, 480V)

Number of Poles

(2-pole, 3-pole)


Age/Date of Manufacture

Look for date codes on the equipment labels. This might be hidden under covers. Older equipment might have a dial showing the year and month. If you can't find a date code, estimate the age based on the style and features.

Condition

Document the physical condition:
Corrosion (rust, oxidation) Visible damage (cracks, broken parts) Evidence of overheating (burn marks, discoloration) Loose connections Any unusual noises or smells

Photographs

Take clear photographs of each piece of equipment, including the labels and any areas of concern.


Diagrams

Create a single-line diagram of each meter bank location to illustrate the equipment arrangement and connections.

Check for Recalls/Safety Alerts

Once you have the manufacturer and model numbers, research if there are any known recalls or safety alerts associated with that equipment. This information could be critical for your insurance company.

3. Prioritize Replacements



Compliance First

Focus on the equipment that directly violates the insurance company's requirements. This is your highest priority.

Safety Second

Even if the insurance company doesn't specifically flag it, prioritize equipment that presents a clear safety hazard (e.g., severely corroded disconnects, signs of overheating).


Age and Condition Third

Older equipment that is showing signs of deterioration should be considered for replacement, even if it's not an immediate safety risk.

Consider phasing
: For example, it might be easier to do the 11 meter bank locations with 400 amp disconnects first.4. Develop a Replacement Plan



Equipment Selection



Meet Code Requirements

Ensure new equipment meets all current California Electrical Code (CEC) requirements, including arc flash protection, surge protection, and any other applicable standards.


Compatibility

Choose replacement equipment that is compatible with the existing wiring and infrastructure. Consider "footprint" compatibility to minimize modifications.

Availability

Check lead times for new equipment. Supply chain issues can be significant.


Quality

Select reputable manufacturers and high-quality equipment. This is not the place to cut corners.

Staging and Logistics



Storage

Where will you store the new equipment before installation?

Access

How will you get the equipment to each meter bank location?


Disposal

How will you dispose of the old equipment properly and safely?

Tenant Communication



Notifications

Provide tenants with advance notice of planned power outages. Be clear about the duration and timing of the outages.

Minimize Disruption

Schedule work to minimize disruption to tenants.


Emergency Contacts

Provide tenants with emergency contact information in case of problems.

Budget

Develop a detailed budget that includes:
Equipment costs Labor costs Permit fees PG&E fees Contingency (for unexpected problems)

5. Working with PG&E (and other Utilities)



Initial Consultation

Contact PG&E's design engineering department early in the process. Explain your project and ask about their requirements for:


Service Upgrades

If you're increasing the amperage or making other significant changes to the service, PG&E will likely need to review and approve your plans.

Meter Changes

Replacing meter banks often requires PG&E to change out the meters themselves.


Disconnections/Reconnections

PG&E will need to disconnect and reconnect power to the meter banks during the replacement process. Coordinate this carefully to minimize downtime.

Required Documentation

Find out what drawings, specifications, and other documents PG&E will require.


Permitting

Obtain all necessary permits from your local city/county building department. PG&E will likely require proof of permits before they will reconnect power.

Coordination

Maintain close communication with PG&E throughout the project. Schedule inspections and outages well in advance.


Single Line Diagram

Prepare an updated single-line diagram of the electrical system for PG&E, showing the new equipment and any changes to the service.

6. Engage Qualified Professionals



Licensed Electrical Contractor

This project
must be performed by a licensed and insured electrical contractor with experience in commercial electrical work. Get multiple bids and check references. Make sure they are familiar with PG&E's requirements and the California Electrical Code.

Electrical Engineer (Potentially)

Depending on the complexity of the project (especially if you are upgrading the service or making significant changes to the distribution system), you may need to engage a licensed electrical engineer to design the modifications and prepare the necessary drawings. This is especially likely for the 600A switchgear replacement.

Project Manager (For Larger Projects)

If this project is large and complex, consider hiring a project manager to oversee the entire process, from planning to completion.


Communication is Key

The electrical contractor will need to inform tenants when power to their units will be interrupted and for how long. This is crucial for tenant satisfaction and safety.

7. Implementation



Safety First

Prioritize safety throughout the project. Ensure that all electrical work is performed by qualified professionals and that all safety precautions are followed.


Inspection

Arrange for inspections by the local building department and PG&E, as required.

Documentation

Maintain accurate records of all work performed, including equipment specifications, installation dates, inspection reports, and permits.


Testing and Commissioning

Thoroughly test all new equipment after installation to ensure that it is functioning properly.

8. Post-Installation



Provide Documentation to Insurance Company

Submit all required documentation to the insurance company to verify compliance. This should include permits, inspection reports, invoices, and any other documents they request.


Update Electrical Drawings

Update your electrical drawings to reflect the changes made during the project.

Maintenance

Establish a regular maintenance schedule for the new electrical equipment to ensure its continued reliability and safety.

Key Considerations



Asbestos

Be aware of the potential for asbestos in older electrical equipment. If asbestos is suspected, you will need to have it tested and abated by a qualified professional before any work can be performed.

Lead Paint

Be aware of the potential for lead paint, particularly if older equipment is being replaced.


Budget Realism:
Electrical upgrades are expensive. Get multiple bids, factor in potential contingencies, and be prepared for the possibility of cost overruns.This is a high-level overview. You must consult with qualified professionals (electrical contractor, electrical engineer, PG&E) to develop a detailed plan that is specific to your property. Do not attempt to perform any electrical work yourself unless you are a licensed electrician. Good luck! Flag for review

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