User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ
Asked on: Friday, January 10, 2025 at 9:35 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:08 am EST
Question: Have a job that's a 2 story new construction. There are several systems power, lighting, fire alarm, security, IT and AV.So I'd think with that many systems I'd want a non working foreman. But when I divide the man hours into the duration for OUR work it's only about 5 guys average so with that I don't think I'd need a non working foreman. How would you man this job regarding supervision? We usually have a full time non working foreman when manpower gets above 8-9 electricians. But then when you have multiple systems even with less then 8-9 electricians I'd think you would need a non working foreman. Thanks
This is a classic resource allocation problem, balancing cost against the potential for increased efficiency and reduced errors. Here's a breakdown of how I'd approach this, considering the factors you've presented
Factors Favoring a Non-Working Foreman (Even with ~5 Electricians):
Complexity
The sheer number of systems (power, lighting, fire alarm, security, IT, AV) dramatically increases the complexity of coordination, potential for conflict, and risk of errors. Each system has its own requirements, wiring methods, and potential points of interference.
Coordination
Coordinating with other trades (framers, HVAC, plumbers, etc.) is crucial, especially with multiple low-voltage systems that often run parallel and need specific pathways. A non-working foreman is much better positioned to attend meetings, review drawings, and proactively resolve conflicts.
Quality Control
Ensuring that each system is installed correctly, meets code, and integrates seamlessly with the others requires dedicated oversight. Catching mistakes early saves significant rework time and material costs.
Documentation and As-Builts
Managing paperwork, change orders, and updating as-built drawings is crucial for a complex project. A non-working foreman can dedicate time to ensure accurate records.
Safety
New construction can be hazardous, and multiple systems mean increased safety concerns (working at heights, confined spaces, electrical hazards, etc.). A dedicated foreman can reinforce safety protocols and monitor the job site.
Potential for Higher Efficiency
While 5 electricians might seem like a small crew, a well-coordinated team with clear direction can be significantly more productive than a poorly managed one. The non-working foreman can optimize workflow, identify potential bottlenecks, and ensure resources are available when needed.
Future Growth
If there's a potential for the job to grow in scope or require additional manpower later, having a foreman established from the start can ease the transition.
Factors Favoring a Working Foreman
Cost
A non-working foreman is a significant overhead expense.
Potential Overkill
If the systems are relatively simple and well-defined, and the electricians are highly experienced and self-directed, a non-working foreman might be underutilized.
Possible Solutions and Recommendations
Given the conflicting factors, here are a few options to consider:1.
Working Foreman with Reduced Tool Time
This is often the best compromise. Designate one of your most experienced electricians as the foreman but allow them limited tool time (maybe 25-50% depending on the daily demands). This allows them to contribute to the hands-on work while still dedicating significant time to coordination, planning, and quality control.
Benefits
Cost-effective, provides hands-on experience and guidance, facilitates communication, and maintains productivity.
Considerations
Requires careful time management and delegation skills from the foreman.2.
Phase-Based Supervision
If the project breaks down into distinct phases (e.g., rough-in, trim-out, system integration), you could consider a non-working foreman for the most complex phases and a working foreman for the simpler ones.
Benefits
Targeted supervision where it's most needed, cost-effective.
Considerations
Requires careful planning and communication to ensure a smooth transition between supervision models.3.
Project Manager/Superintendent Oversight
If your company has a project manager or superintendent overseeing the entire project, they might be able to handle some of the coordination and management tasks that a non-working foreman would typically handle. However, they likely won't have the detailed technical knowledge of all the electrical systems.
Benefits
Leverages existing resources, reduces overhead.
Considerations
Requires a very experienced and technically proficient team, and the PM/Super needs to understand the nuances of each electrical system. Also depends on how many other projects this person has.4.
Dedicated System Leads
Assign a senior electrician as the lead for each major system (e.g., Power Lead, Fire Alarm Lead, Security Lead). These leads would be responsible for the quality and coordination within their specific system but would still report to a working foreman.
Benefits
Fosters expertise, promotes accountability, and reduces the burden on the foreman.*
Considerations
Requires skilled and knowledgeable electricians willing to take on leadership roles.
Decision-Making Process
Detailed Task Breakdown
Break down the entire project into specific tasks with estimated man-hours for each. This will give you a more accurate picture of the workload and potential bottlenecks.2.
Risk Assessment
Identify the most critical risks associated with each system and the potential impact of errors. This will help you prioritize supervision efforts.3.
Electrician Skill Assessment
Evaluate the skills and experience of your electricians. If you have a team of highly experienced and self-directed individuals, you might be able to get by with less supervision.4.
Cost Analysis
Compare the cost of a non-working foreman versus a working foreman, and factor in the potential cost savings from improved efficiency and reduced errors.5.
Communication
Discuss the options with your team and get their input. They might have valuable insights into the challenges of the project and the best way to manage it.
In conclusion
Given the complexity of the project with its multiple systems, I would lean towards a
working foreman with reduced tool time or a project lead for each system, unless the PM can take on a lot of the extra coordination, documentation, and oversight. The cost of the foreman should be justified by an increase in efficiency and fewer mistakes. If the PM can handle the extras, a working foreman should suffice. Just keep in mind this person is in charge of all the systems, so be sure this person is well versed in all the systems being installed. Flag for review