User: JimmysLimeade, Location: Utah
Asked on: Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 11:24 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:37 am EST
Question: I am working on a job that has an AC output current of 180.11A before the 125% adder. After 125% it comes out to 225.1375A. Does that mean I need to upsize to a 250A OCPD or is there a way I can use a 225A OCPD?I have read a few different things regarding this type of scenario but I can't find them anymore, so any help would be appreciated.Thanks!
Okay, let's break down the overcurrent protection (OCPD) selection for this scenario, focusing on what the NEC (National Electrical Code) generally allows.
Understanding the NEC Rules and Your Situation
The NEC focuses on protecting conductors from overcurrent, not necessarily matching the exact calculated load. Here are the key principles: 125% Adder
The 125% adder (often referred to as the "continuous load factor") is required because the load is considered continuous, operating for 3 hours or more at its maximum current. You've correctly applied this.
Standard OCPD Sizes
OCPDs (circuit breakers, fuses) come in standard sizes. You can't just pick any arbitrary amperage.
Next Higher Standard Size Rule
This is the crucial point. If your calculated load after the 125% adder (225.1375A in your case) does not correspond to a standard OCPD size, you may be permitted to go up to the next higher standard size if certain conditions are met.
Conductor Ampacity
Most importantly, the conductor you select must have an ampacity equal to or greater than the calculated load before the 125% adder. In your case, the conductor must be rated for at least 180.11A.
Specific Equipment Requirements
Some equipment has specific OCPD requirements dictated by its listing and labeling. Always refer to the equipment's documentation.
Analyzing Your Specific Case1. Calculated Load
After the 125% adder, you have 225.1375A.
2.
Standard OCPD Sizes
Standard sizes near your calculated value include 200A, 225A, and 250A.3.
Can you use a 225A OCPD? No, you cannot. The OCPD must be equal to or greater than the calculated amperage of 225.1375A.
4. Can you use a 250A OCPD? Potentially, yes, but with conditions. To use a 250A OCPD, you must meet the following: Conductor Ampacity
The conductors you choose
must have an ampacity of at least 180.11A (the load before the 125% adder). The ampacity will also need to be rated for the terminal temperature limits of the OCPD and/or equipment. No Specific Equipment Requirements
The equipment being supplied cannot have specific OCPD requirements that would prohibit using the next larger standard size. Check the equipment's nameplate or documentation.
In Summary You cannot use a 225A OCPD because it is less than your calculated load of 225.1375A after the 125% adder. You can use a 250A OCPD if (and only if) your conductors are sized for at least 180.11A (plus any derating factors required by the NEC) and the equipment you're supplying does not have any specific restrictions on OCPD sizing.
Important Considerations Derating Factors
Remember that the NEC requires you to apply derating factors to conductor ampacity in certain situations (e.g., high ambient temperatures, multiple conductors in a raceway). These derating factors reduce the allowable ampacity of the conductors, and you need to account for them.
Voltage Drop
Don't forget to calculate voltage drop to ensure it's within acceptable limits. Using larger conductors to meet ampacity requirements can also help reduce voltage drop.
Local Codes
Always check with your local electrical inspector or authority having jurisdiction (AHJ) for any local codes or requirements that may differ from the NEC.*
Engineering Judgment
If you're unsure, it's always best to consult with a qualified electrical engineer or electrician. They can perform a thorough analysis of your specific situation and ensure that the installation meets all applicable codes and standards.
Example
Let's say you choose conductors with an initial ampacity of 250A (before derating). After applying all necessary derating factors, the conductor's adjusted ampacity is 185A. This is greater than the 180.11A required, so it meets the condition for using the 250A OCPD.
Disclaimer: This information is for educational purposes only and should not be used as a substitute for the guidance of a qualified electrician or engineer. Flag for review