User: Pflat, Location: California
Asked on: Thursday, January 23, 2025 at 12:31 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:40 am EST
Question: Have a Project we are sourcing a transformer for.We have a 208/120v 200amp 3phase panel to work from for primary.We are trying to run 15 dehumidifier appliances that are 277v and draw 9amps each. Dehums will start at most 3 at same time, but will often all be running at same time. All 15 appliances on their own circuits, so 5 per phase equally balanced.Electrician suggested a 480/277 panel (that we have already on site available to use) for secondary distribution to the dehumidifier appliance circuits, and a transformer between the 208/120 feed panel (primary) and the 480panel (secondary).. panel and transformer will only ever be used for these dehumidifier appliances, no other equipment will be added.Can you recommend a transformer for this application, and availability? And breaker size on the 208 panel to feed primary?Thank you
Okay, let's break down the transformer sizing and breaker selection for your dehumidifier project.1. Calculate Total Load
Single Dehumidifier Load
277V 9A = 2493 VA (Volt-Amps)
Total Load (All 15)
15 2493 VA = 37,395 VA (37.4 kVA)
2. Transformer kVA Sizing
Worst-Case Scenario (All 15 Running)
37.4 kVA
Consider Start-Up
Dehumidifiers, like many motors, can have a higher inrush current during startup (typically 3-5 times the running current, but can be higher depending on the model). Since you expect up to 3 to start simultaneously, we need to account for that. A common practice is to derate for startup, but let's focus on the worst case scenario.
Transformer Selection
I recommend a 45 kVA transformer. This provides a safety factor for voltage drop under load, future expansion (even though you say you won't expand, it's a good practice), and any unexpected surges. It also falls into a common standard transformer size. It's better to be slightly oversized than undersized.3. Transformer Specifications
Type
Three-Phase, Dry-Type Transformer (Generally the most suitable for indoor applications)
Primary Voltage
208V Delta
Secondary Voltage
480V Wye (277V phase to neutral)
kVA Rating
45 kVA
Frequency
60 Hz
Enclosure
NEMA 2 (Dripproof) or NEMA 3R (Outdoor) depending on the installation location. Typically these will be installed indoors so NEMA 2 is fine.
4. Primary Breaker Sizing (208V Panel)
Transformer Primary Current
(kVA 1000) / (√3 Primary Voltage) = (45 1000) / (1.732 208) = 125 amps
Breaker Sizing
You need a breaker that is sized to handle at least 125 amps continuously.
Select a 150 Ampere, 3-Pole circuit breaker. This is a standard size above the calculated current and provides a safety margin.5. Secondary Breaker Sizing (480/277V Panel)
Branch Circuit Breakers
Each dehumidifier circuit will require a dedicated circuit breaker. Dehumidifier Current: 9 Amps
Recommended Breaker Size
Use a
15 Ampere, 1-Pole circuit breaker for each dehumidifier circuit. This is a standard size and is suitable for the 9A load.6. Availability and Manufacturers
Common Manufacturers
Eaton Schneider Electric/Square D ABB Siemens Hammond Power Solutions
Availability
These manufacturers typically have a good distribution network. Check with your local electrical supply houses (e.g., Graybar, Rexel, Platt Electric) for pricing and availability. Lead times can vary, especially with current supply chain issues. Be sure to check on lead times and availability when you request quotes.
Online Retailers
Websites like Grainger, Zoro, and Amazon Business can sometimes be options, but for a transformer of this size, your local electrical supply house is generally the best bet.
Important Considerations and Cautions
NEC Compliance
All wiring, breaker sizing, and transformer installation must comply with the National Electrical Code (NEC) and any local codes.
Consult with a licensed electrician to ensure proper installation and compliance. Overcurrent Protection
Ensure both the primary and secondary sides of the transformer have appropriate overcurrent protection (circuit breakers).
Grounding
Proper grounding of the transformer and the 480/277V panel is critical for safety. Follow NEC requirements for grounding.
Ventilation
Transformers generate heat. Ensure the transformer is installed in a well-ventilated area, free from obstructions, to prevent overheating. Consult the manufacturer's installation instructions for specific ventilation requirements.
Voltage Drop
Calculate the voltage drop from the transformer to the furthest dehumidifier. While 45 kVA should help, long wire runs can still cause voltage drop. Size the conductors appropriately to minimize voltage drop.
Transformer Taps
Some transformers have taps that allow you to adjust the output voltage slightly. This can be helpful if you experience voltage drop issues.
Summary of Recommendations
Transformer
45 kVA, Three-Phase, 208V Delta Primary, 480V Wye Secondary, Dry-Type
208V Primary Breaker
150 Ampere, 3-Pole*
480/277V Dehumidifier Branch Circuit Breakers
15 Ampere, 1-Pole (one for each dehumidifier)
Next Steps
Contact Your Electrician
Review these recommendations with your licensed electrician. They can verify the calculations and ensure proper installation.2.
Obtain Quotes
Get quotes from multiple electrical supply houses for the transformer, breakers, and other necessary components.3.
Check Lead Times
Inquire about lead times on the transformer, as they can vary significantly.4.
Review Installation Instructions
Carefully review the manufacturer's installation instructions for the transformer before installation.5.
Ensure Proper Ventilation: Make sure the transformer will be installed in a well-ventilated area.This should provide you with a good starting point. Good luck with your project! Flag for review