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Topic: Concrete pool floor with vinyl liner bonding

User: wlthorpe, Location: Benson, NC

Asked on: Friday, January 24, 2025 at 5:10 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 7:45 am EST

Question: Question for those with more experience than myself when it comes to pools... I have a pool contractor that uses in-ground steel wall shells... from my understanding the bonding permitter would go around the pool tying into the pool in 4 evenly spaced spots as well as tying into anything metal such as rails or light shells. Where I get confused is the shell is floor-less, therefor the contractor pours vermiculite over soil as the floor and then places a vinyl liner over this vermiculite floor...From my understanding the vermiculite needs to be bonded due to its "porous nature" similar to concrete. Which would involve a copper grid or tying into reinforcement steel... I was told there is no reinforcement steel when this stuff is sprayedin.Basically my question is: does the vermiculite floor need to be tied into the equipotential bond even tho there is a vinyl liner over it and the metal wall shell?Or is it safe with out because of the vinyl liner that will eventually be put over top of

You've hit upon a point of contention and varying interpretations in the pool industry and among electrical inspectors. Here's a breakdown of the considerations and why the answer is nuanced

Key Considerations:
Purpose of Equipotential Bonding

The primary goal of equipotential bonding is to create an electrical equalizing network around the pool. This prevents voltage differences between metallic parts and the water/surrounding surfaces that could cause electric shock. It's not just about grounding, but about making everything at (or very close to) the same electrical potential.


The Vinyl Liner as an Insulator

A vinyl liner is generally considered a good insulator. However, it's not a perfect insulator. Small punctures, wear and tear, or even moisture can compromise its insulating properties over time.

The Vermiculite/Soil Mix

This is the tricky part. Vermiculite itself is a mineral. The concern isn't so much the vermiculite itself, but what it's mixed with, and its ability to hold moisture. The mix is typically porous and retains moisture. Moisture and soil can become conductors under certain conditions.


Code Requirements (NEC Article 680)

The National Electrical Code (NEC) Article 680 provides specific requirements for swimming pool bonding. It requires bonding of metallic parts and potentially conductive surfaces within a certain distance of the pool.

The Core Debate: Does the Vermiculite Floor Need to be Bonded?
Arguments FOR Bonding the Vermiculite Floor (despite the liner)



Compromised Liner

Over time, the liner can develop leaks or punctures. This allows water to reach the vermiculite/soil mix.

Conductivity of Wet Vermiculite/Soil

Wet vermiculite and the underlying soil (especially if it contains minerals) can become conductive, creating a path for stray current.


Stringent Interpretation of NEC

Some inspectors will interpret the NEC very strictly, requiring bonding of any potentially conductive surface within the pool's perimeter, regardless of a liner.

Safety Margin

Bonding the vermiculite/soil, even if considered "overkill," provides an extra layer of safety.


Arguments AGAINST Bonding the Vermiculite Floor



Integrity of the Liner

If the liner is new, properly installed, and well-maintained, it
should provide adequate insulation.

Cost and Complexity

Adding a copper grid or other bonding method to the vermiculite/soil layer increases the cost and complexity of the pool construction.

Minimal Risk (in theory)

With a perfectly intact liner, the risk of current flowing through the vermiculite/soil is considered low by some.

So, What's the "Safe" Answer?


In my opinion (and I am not an electrician or code enforcement official), the safer and more responsible approach is to bond the vermiculite floor, despite the liner. Here's why:
Future-Proofing

Bonding provides protection even if the liner fails down the road. You won't have to tear up the deck to address the bonding issue later.

Peace of Mind

Knowing that all potentially conductive surfaces are bonded offers greater peace of mind.


Avoiding Disputes

It minimizes the risk of disputes with electrical inspectors.

Enhanced Safety

It adds an extra layer of safety, even if the likelihood of a problem is low.

How to Bond the Vermiculite/Soil (Consider These Options)



Copper Grid

The most effective method is to install a copper grid beneath the vermiculite layer, connected to the main bonding grid. This is the most reliable but also the most expensive and labor-intensive.

Reinforcing Mesh (if used)

If the contractor uses any reinforcing mesh within the vermiculite layer, ensure that it's made of metal and properly tied into the bonding grid. (You indicated they
don't use this.)

Extending the Perimeter Bonding

Ensure the perimeter bonding conductor is buried deep enough to make contact with the earth around the pool shell. This might provide some level of bonding to the soil, but it's not as effective as a dedicated grid.

Crucial Steps to Take


Consult with a Licensed Electrical Contractor

This is the most important step. The electrical contractor needs to be experienced with pool bonding and familiar with local codes and interpretations. Get their professional opinion on the best way to bond the vermiculite floor.2.

Check with Your Local Building Inspector

Before any work begins, discuss the pool design and bonding plan with your local building inspector. Get their approval on the proposed bonding method. They may have specific requirements or preferences. Their interpretation of the NEC is the one that matters.3.

Get Everything in Writing

Make sure the electrical contractor's plan and the building inspector's approval are documented in writing. This will protect you in case of future issues.4.

Proper Bonding Connections

Use only listed bonding connectors and ensure that all connections are tight and properly protected from corrosion.

In summary, while a vinyl liner should provide insulation, the potential for liner failure and the conductivity of wet vermiculite/soil make bonding the vermiculite floor a prudent safety measure. Consult with a qualified electrician and your local building inspector to determine the best and most compliant bonding method for your specific pool construction.
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