User: WA Electrician, Location: Washington
Asked on: Friday, January 31, 2025 at 10:03 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:04 am EST
Question: Hey all,I’m doing a project right now where they would like to have a 320a service be semi flush in stucco. In order to get the 3” conduit into the meter, the depth of the meter inside the wall will be 5”, plus sheeting and stucco adds another 1.75”. Total I probably need a meter that is at least 7” deep. I’ve been going through catalogs and trying to find my unicorn to no avail. Anyone here know of a panel that could work in this situation? I don’t need over current protection in it but it would be nice, I can put two 200a disconnects next to it if I have too.Thanks!
Okay, this is a tricky one, and I understand the challenge of finding a deep meter enclosure for a 320A service intended for near-flush mounting in stucco. Here's a breakdown of the situation, some potential options, and considerations
Understanding the Challenge
Depth Requirement
7" is a significant depth requirement for a meter enclosure, especially when trying to maintain a semi-flush appearance. Standard meter cans aren't designed for this kind of recess.
Conduit Entry
That 3" conduit is the key driver of the depth. The bend radius and termination fitting require considerable space.
Stucco Thickness
Stucco plus sheathing adds significant depth, and this needs to be accounted for in your planning.
320A Service
A 320A service typically means a meter socket rated for 400A continuous, and these are physically larger than smaller service ratings.
Flush vs. Semi-Flush
Flush would be almost impossible with that depth. Semi-flush is more realistic, but even then, you'll likely have some protrusion.
Potential Solutions and Considerations
Here's a tiered approach, starting with what's most likely to work and moving to more customized or less desirable options:1. Custom Enclosure/Fabrication (Most Likely Solution) Idea
The most likely viable solution is to work with a local metal fabrication shop. They can build a custom meter box with the necessary depth and dimensions.
Key Specs to Provide the Fabricator
Meter Socket Specifications
Tell them the exact meter socket you'll be using (manufacturer and model number). This is crucial for ensuring proper fit.
Conduit Entry Location and Size
Specify the exact location and size of the conduit knockout(s). Tell them you'll be using a 3" conduit.
Depth Requirement
Clearly state the 7" minimum depth requirement (or even a little more to be safe).
Stucco Finish
Explain that it will be recessed and the face will be in the same plain as the stucco finish.
NEMA Rating
Specify the desired NEMA rating (e.g., NEMA 3R for outdoor use).
Material
Specify the material (e.g., galvanized steel, aluminum). Aluminum is generally easier to work with, but galvanized steel can be more durable in some environments.
Mounting Method
Detail how you want the enclosure to be mounted (e.g., mounting flanges, direct attachment to studs).
Door/Cover
Include a hinged door with a latch or a removable cover.
Benefits
Exact Fit
You get precisely what you need.
Customization
You can tailor the enclosure to the specific aesthetic requirements of the project.
Drawbacks
Cost
Custom fabrication will be more expensive than an off-the-shelf solution.
Lead Time
It will take time to design, fabricate, and finish the enclosure.2.
Combination of Standard Enclosure and Recessed Mounting
Idea
Find a standard 400A meter socket enclosure that is as deep as you can find (even if it's not quite 7"). Then, recess it into the wall as much as possible. You might still have some protrusion, but less than a fully surface-mounted enclosure.
Steps
Research
Thoroughly research 400A meter socket enclosures from manufacturers like Milbank, Eaton, Siemens, GE, and Schneider Electric. Look for the depth dimension in the product specifications.
Recessing
Frame out the wall cavity to accommodate the enclosure.
Stucco Work
Have the stucco contractor carefully apply stucco around the enclosure, feathering it in to create a smooth, semi-flush transition.
Challenges
Finding a Deep Enough Enclosure
You may not find a standard enclosure that's deep enough to fully hide the conduit.
Coordination
Requires careful coordination between the electrician, framing contractor, and stucco contractor.
Still Some Protrusion
You'll likely still have some of the enclosure protruding from the wall.3.
Meter Socket With Integrated Gutters (Potentially, but Unlikely to Meet Depth) Idea
Some meter sockets come with integrated wire gutters (extra space for making connections). These might be deeper than standard meter sockets, but are still unlikely to be anywhere near the 7 inches.
Challenge
These are still unlikely to be deep enough, and often the gutter space is intended for internal connections, not accommodating a deep conduit entry.4.
Separate Meter Socket and Disconnects (Least Desirable)
Idea
As you mentioned, you could use a shallower standard meter socket and then run the conductors to two side-by-side 200A disconnects (or a single 400A disconnect) mounted adjacent to the meter.
Drawbacks
More Surface Area
Requires more wall space.
More Cost
Additional disconnects add to the cost.
Less Aesthetically Pleasing
Less clean look than a semi-flush integrated solution.
Code Compliance
Check local codes for specific requirements regarding disconnect placement and accessibility.
Important Considerations and Best Practices Local Codes and Utility Requirements
Before you do anything, check with your local electrical inspector and the utility company. They may have very specific requirements for meter socket placement, height, and enclosure types. They may also have restrictions on custom enclosures.
NEC Compliance
Ensure that all work complies with the National Electrical Code (NEC), especially regarding working clearances, conductor sizing, and grounding.
Conduit Bending
Consider using a long-radius bend on the 3" conduit to minimize the space required for the bend.
Weatherproofing
Ensure that the enclosure is properly weatherproofed, especially if it's exposed to the elements.*
Accessibility
The meter must be accessible for reading and maintenance by the utility company.
Recommendation
Start by contacting a few local metal fabrication shops. Explain your requirements and get quotes. This will give you the best chance of getting a solution that meets your needs and the project's aesthetic goals. While you are waiting for the metal fabricators to get back to you, look up some 400amp meter boxes and check their depths to see how close you can get without fabrication.Let me know if you have any other questions. Good luck with your project! Flag for review