User: asmith89, Location: Toronto
Asked on: Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 11:30 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:17 am EST
Question: What are you guys using for an assembly consisting of the following?Steel stud mount box, single or 2 gang plaster ring, 10ft of 12/2 bx into ceiling space, single device (shouldnt matter what kind) L16 on both sides, cover plate.I'm thinking one hour per.
Okay, let's break down this electrical assembly and discuss reasonable time estimations. Your initial estimate of one hour per assembly might be a bit high, but it depends heavily on the specific circumstances
Assumptions I'm making based on your description:
New Construction or Renovation
I'm assuming this is part of a larger project, not just isolated outlet additions. This affects travel time and setup.
Standard Steel Stud Construction
The mounting box is being attached to standard steel studs.
Reasonable Accessibility
The ceiling space is reasonably accessible to work in. No extreme contortions required.
Repetitive Work
You're doing a quantity of these assemblies, not just one or two. Repetition brings efficiency.
Standard Tools & Materials
You have all the necessary tools (drill/driver, BX cutter, wire strippers, levels, etc.) and materials readily available.
No Obstructions
I am assuming there are no large obstacles in the wall or ceiling that would take time to fix.
Assembly Breakdown & Time Estimates (per assembly)
Mount Box Installation (Steel Stud)
Locate & Mark Position
1-2 minutes
Attach Box to Stud
Screw the box into the steel stud. 3-5 minutes
Total
4-7 minutes2.
Plaster Ring Installation
Attach Ring to Box
3-5 minutes
Total
3-5 minutes3.
BX Cable Installation (10 ft)
Measure & Cut BX
2-3 minutes
Install Anti-Short Bushing
1 minute
Fish BX into Box
3-5 minutes
Secure BX Connector to Box
2-3 minutes
Secure BX to Ceiling Space Structure
3-5 minutes (This could be longer if you need to run it precisely)
Total
11-17 minutes4.
Wiring & Device Installation
Strip Wire
1-2 minutes
Terminate to Device (L16 on Both Sides)
5-8 minutes (depending on the device and wiring method)
Mount Device
2-3 minutes
Total
8-13 minutes5.
Cover Plate Installation
Attach Cover Plate
1-2 minutes
Total
1-2 minutes6.
Cleanup (minimal)
Gather scraps
1-2 minutes
Total
1-2 minutes
Total Estimated Time (Ideal)
Low End
28 minutes
High End
46 minutes
Factors Affecting Time (and why your hour estimate isn't necessarily wrong)
Obstructions
Running into unexpected issues inside the wall or ceiling (existing wiring, plumbing, insulation, structural members) can drastically increase time. Allow extra time if you anticipate challenges.
Inspection
If an inspector is present and requires specific attention to detail, the time per assembly goes up.
Accessibility
Tight spaces, working overhead, or difficult access to the ceiling can slow things down considerably.
Material Handling
If you have to walk a long distance to get materials or constantly re-stock, that adds time.
Learning Curve
If you're training someone new, the time per assembly will be higher initially.
Quality Control
If you're meticulous about ensuring perfect levels, neat wiring, and secure connections, it takes longer.
Coffee Breaks
Gotta factor in coffee breaks!
Real-World Considerations
Start-up Time
Setting up your tools, unloading materials, and planning the layout takes time, especially at the beginning of the day or project.
Wrap-up Time
Cleaning up at the end of the day also takes time.
Troubleshooting
Unexpected problems always arise in electrical work. Allow a buffer for troubleshooting.
Recommendations
Time Study
The best way to determine an accurate time estimate is to perform a time study on yourself or your team. Time a few assemblies under realistic conditions and see how long it actually takes.2.
Batch Work
Maximize efficiency by batching tasks. For example: Install all the boxes first. Then, run all the BX cable. Then, wire all the devices.3.
Organization
Keep your work area organized and your tools readily accessible.4.
Experience
The more experienced you are, the faster you'll be.5.
Negotiating with a customer. Depending on your experience and if you have a crew that can batch things out and work efficiently, your time could be lower. Negotiating with the customer can allow you more time and profit.
Conclusion:
While 30-45 minutes per assembly is achievable under ideal conditions with a skilled electrician, your one-hour estimate isn't unreasonable, especially if you need to account for potential delays, less-than-ideal conditions, or less experienced personnel. It's better to overestimate than underestimate and lose money. Use the time study method to dial in on the estimate.I hope this detailed breakdown helps! Flag for review