User: fiveliterdreamer, Location: Greenbrier, Arkansas
Asked on: Monday, February 10, 2025 at 4:35 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:28 am EST
Question: Hi, I have a 1991 manufactured home with overhead service and a 200 amp main panel attached to a 6x6 post located next to the manufactured home. Main panel is attached to a ground rod. It is currently feeding the sub panel in the manufactured home with (3) 4/0 aluminum conductors through PVC conduit. 2 hots and 1 neutral but no grounding conductor. The subpanel has a ground conductor running from the grounding buss to the frame of the trailer. There is not a ground rod at the sub panel. I am planning on adding a 6 gauge cu ground wire between the two panels.2 questions:(1) In this situation, is the mobile home considered a separate structure from the main panel and therefore required to have its own grounding rod?(2) If I need to add a ground rod to the sub panel, can I just attach the ground rod conductor to the connection point on the frame where the grounding conductor is that leads to the sub panel?Thanks
Okay, let's break down the grounding situation for your manufactured home setup, addressing your questions and providing some clarity.
Understanding the Situation
Your current setup is common in older manufactured homes but likely doesn't fully meet current code requirements. The key issues are the lack of a dedicated grounding conductor between the main panel and the subpanel in the home and the grounding of the subpanel within the home.
Answers to Your Questions(1) Is the Mobile Home Considered a Separate Structure? Yes, Generally. In most jurisdictions and under the NEC (National Electrical Code), a manufactured home is treated as a separate structure when the main panel is located outside the home, as yours is. Because the service disconnect (your 200 amp main panel) is located outside and away from the home, you have a feeder to the subpanel, making the home a separate structure. Therefore, a grounding electrode system (ground rod or rods) IS required at the separate structure (manufactured home).(2) Ground Rod Connection at the Subpanel Yes, you can connect to the frame. The NEC (National Electrical Code) allows connecting the grounding electrode conductor (the wire going to the ground rod) to the mobile home's chassis. This can indeed be at the same connection point on the frame where the existing grounding conductor from the subpanel grounding bus connects to the frame.
Important Considerations and Recommendations1. Dedicated Grounding Conductor
Crucially, adding a 6 AWG copper ground wire between the main panel and subpanel is absolutely necessary. This will provide a safe path for fault current. You should replace the existing cable with one that has 2 hots, neutral, and ground. Since the existing cable is 4/0 Aluminum you will want to replace it with 2/0 Aluminum as well as a 6 gauge ground. Since you are adding a ground rod to the manufactured home, you could keep the existing conductors as is and then add a 4th conductor and run it through the existing conduit. This conductor should be properly sized according to the NEC table 250.122 based on the overcurrent protection device (200 amp main breaker). Since you have a 200 amp main breaker you will need a minimum of 6 AWG copper or 4 AWG Aluminum grounding wire.
2. Grounding Electrode System at the Manufactured Home
Install a proper grounding electrode system. This typically involves driving one or two 8-foot ground rods (check your local code requirements) at least 8 feet apart. Connect the grounding electrode conductor (GEC) - typically 6 AWG copper - from the subpanel grounding bus (or the frame connection as you described) to the ground rod(s). The ground rod should be driven fully into the ground and be accessible for inspection.3. Neutral-Ground Bond
Verify that the neutral and ground are ONLY bonded at the main panel (the service disconnect). Crucially, the neutral and ground must be kept separate at the subpanel in the manufactured home. The neutral bus bar in your subpanel should be isolated from the enclosure.4. Ground Rod at the Main Panel
Confirm that the grounding rod at the main panel is also installed correctly and is providing adequate grounding.5.
Local Codes and Inspections
This is crucial. Always consult with your local building department or a qualified electrical inspector before making any electrical modifications. They can provide guidance specific to your area's codes and requirements. Electrical work often requires permits and inspections to ensure safety and compliance. Your local authority may have specific requirements for grounding manufactured homes.6. Conduit
Make sure all wiring is properly protected in conduit where required, especially where it's exposed to physical damage.
Summary of Steps1. Add a 6 AWG grounding conductor between the main panel and the subpanel. Since you have aluminum already, I would recommend running Aluminum.2. Install one or two ground rods near the manufactured home.3. Connect the 6 AWG copper grounding electrode conductor from the subpanel grounding bus (or frame connection) to the ground rod(s).4. Ensure neutral and ground are bonded ONLY at the main panel and kept separate at the subpanel.5. Contact your local building department for permits and inspections.Disclaimer: I am an AI chatbot and cannot provide professional electrical advice. This information is for general guidance only. It is essential to consult with a licensed electrician for any electrical work. Electrical work can be dangerous, and improper wiring can lead to fire, injury, or death. Flag for review