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Topic: Solar Off Grid

User: W@ttson, Location: NJ-USA

Asked on: Monday, February 10, 2025 at 8:56 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:29 am EST

Question: Hello all,I have a quick question regarding solar off grid installs that I can't wrap my head around.Some people setup remote cabins/houses such that they are off grid and only utilize solar panels. I have recently heard of a setup where the solar panels are connected to a charge controller/inverter unit. This unit would charge onsite batteries. A local generator would be connected to this charge controller/maintainer. In the event that there was not enough sun to charge the batteries, the generator would be used to charge the batteries. Then the unit would send the power to the electrical panel and feed all of the normal 120/240V loads.The question is, is the generator a separately derived system? There is no utility. The N-G occurs at the main panel where all of the 120/240V loads are located.

This is a great question and highlights a common point of confusion with off-grid systems.

The short answer: Yes, in this scenario, the generator IS typically considered a separately derived system (SDS), requiring its own neutral-to-ground bond.

Here's the breakdown: Separately Derived System (SDS)

An SDS is an electrical power source that is electrically independent of the premises wiring system. Key characteristic: It derives its power from a source other than a direct electrical connection to a utility service or another SDS. The crucial factor is the absence of a direct metallic path for the return current between the source (generator) and the load, other than the grounded conductor (neutral). It establishes its own grounded conductor (neutral).


Off-Grid Setup with Generator Backup

Even though the solar charge controller/inverter unit might seem like the central hub, the

generator is the primary alternative power source when solar is unavailable.
The generator is independently producing AC power (or DC, depending on the setup). Why SDS Rules Apply to the Generator



Safety

The generator is providing an independent source of AC power. If a fault occurs on a circuit powered by the generator, a proper ground fault path is essential for quickly tripping a breaker and preventing electrical shock. Without a properly bonded neutral, the fault current path could become unpredictable and dangerous.

Code Compliance

The National Electrical Code (NEC) generally requires a neutral-to-ground bond at the source of a separately derived system. Article 250.30 of the NEC addresses the grounding and bonding requirements for separately derived systems.


Avoiding Ground Loops

Multiple N-G bonds can create ground loops, leading to circulating currents, nuisance tripping of breakers, and potentially equipment damage.

How the Generator Neutral-to-Ground Bond Works



Within the Generator

The generator frame must be bonded to the generator's neutral conductor inside the generator itself. This is often accomplished with a bonding jumper.

Connecting to the Charge Controller/Inverter

The generator's output (including its neutral) is connected to the charge controller/inverter.


Main Panel N-G Bond

Your original statement is critical: "The N-G occurs at the main panel where all of the 120/240V loads are located." This is likely INCORRECT and the reason for your confusion. The N-G bond at the main panel should be REMOVED when the system is configured to use the generator as a separately derived source. Having two N-G bonds (one at the generator, one at the main panel) is precisely what creates dangerous circulating ground currents. The system needs only ONE N-G bond, and it must be at the generator in this configuration.



Why Charge Controller/Inverter Matters

The charge controller/inverter unit
must be designed and installed in a way that it does not create an additional neutral-to-ground bond. It should essentially pass the generator's power through to the main panel without interfering with the neutral-ground relationship. This is often handled by the internal design of the inverter and how it's connected to the generator. Many modern inverters designed for off-grid use have this functionality built in.

In practice, the generator neutral must be bonded to ground inside the generator. It must also be designed such that the neutral is switched into the electrical panel and the ground must be bonded to the electrical panel.

Important Considerations & Recommendations



Consult a Qualified Electrician

Off-grid systems, especially those involving generators and solar, can be complex. Engage a licensed electrician experienced in off-grid installations to ensure the system is safe, code-compliant, and performs as expected.

Inverter/Charger Specifications

Carefully review the specifications of your charge controller/inverter unit. It should explicitly state how it handles generator input and whether it is designed to be used with a generator as a separately derived system. Some units require specific wiring configurations to ensure proper grounding.


Transfer Switch (Recommended)

A transfer switch is highly recommended. This device physically switches the electrical load between the solar/battery system and the generator. It ensures that only one power source is connected to the electrical panel at a time, preventing backfeeding and potential damage.

In summary, the generator in your described off-grid system is typically considered a separately derived system and MUST have its own neutral-to-ground bond, inside the generator itself. The N-G at the main panel is likely incorrect and should be removed in this configuration. Flag for review

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