User: MSI, Location: 48091
Asked on: Monday, February 10, 2025 at 10:27 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:29 am EST
Question: I am trying to relocate a few breakers in a residential house from the main panel of a new construction. The loads include four 60A furnace breakers, two 30A water heaters, two 50A AC units, and a 30A dryer breaker, all of which I plan to move to a new panel. My goal is to keep the feeder breaker size to 150A. However, when I perform the load calculations for these appliances without knowing their actual wattages, I find it difficult to keep the total below 200A. The load calculations exceed I have a 200A service panel, but I'm only using certain appliances without including other general loads. Here’s how I can resolve this issue:**Step 1:** Determine the larger of the two loads: 65% of the heating load or 100% of the AC unit.**Step 2:** Consider general lighting usage as 0 since I am relocating no loads to the new panel.**Step 3:** Small appliances also count as 0 because I am not relocating any loads to the new panel.**Step 4:** For fixed loads, I have two water heaters at 4,500W each, totaling 9,000W, and one dryer at 5,000W.**Step 5:** From Step 1, use the highest value. For Step 2, 3, and 4, take 100% of the fixed loads and the rest at 40%, which totals 9000W.**Step 6:** Add the results from Step 1 and Step 5, then divide by 240.The result is above 150A; I am sure this is not true as the actual demand is definitely less than 150A, but how can we prove on paper that the loads I am trying to relocate will be less than 150A?
You're right, your initial calculation is likely overestimating the actual demand. Here's a more accurate and code-compliant approach to justify using a 150A feeder breaker
Understanding the Problem:
Diversity
You're treating all loads as if they'll be on simultaneously and at their maximum, which is rarely the case. Furnaces, AC units, water heaters, and dryers cycle on and off based on thermostat and sensor readings.
Nameplate vs. Actual Draw
Appliances rarely draw their full nameplate amperage continuously. The nameplate represents the maximum potential draw.
A More Realistic Load Calculation (Using NEC 220)
HVAC Load - NEC 220.82(C)(6)
You correctly identified this as the key comparison. Instead of using the 60A breaker sizes, we will use the nameplate rating of the equipment, which should be a more accurate estimation of the actual running watts. For the sake of this example, we will use example numbers that seem reasonable.
Heating
Let's assume each of your furnaces uses a 45000 BTU furnace with a nameplate of 15A at 240V. You have four of them.
Cooling
Let's assume each AC unit nameplate is 20A at 240V. You have two of them.
Heating Calculation
4 furnaces 15A 240V = 14,400 VA
Cooling Calculation
2 AC units 20A 240V = 9,600 VAThe Larger Load = 14,400 VA (Heating)2.
Water Heaters (NEC 220.82(C)(5))
You have two 4,500W water heaters. Total Water Heater Load: 2 4500W = 9,000W3.
Dryer (NEC 220.82(C)(4))
You have one dryer rated at 5,000W.4.
Other Loads
As you correctly pointed out, there are no other loads being moved to the new subpanel.
Applying Demand Factors and the 40% Rule
This is where the magic happens and where your initial calculation went wrong. We apply factors that recognize appliances won't all run at their maximum simultaneously.1.
Heating Load
100% of the larger load = 14,400 VA2.
Water Heaters and Dryer
Sum the remaining loads after removing the larger of the heating or cooling = 9000W + 5000W = 14,000 VA.3. Apply a 40% demand factor to the remaining loads: 14,000 VA 0.40 = 5,600 VA.
4. Add the largest load with the demand factored remaining load: 14,400 VA + 5,600 VA = 20,000 VA
Calculate Total Amperage
Amperage = Total VA / Voltage Amperage = 20,000 VA / 240V Amperage = 83.3 Amps
Justification
Based on this calculated load, a 150A feeder is more than sufficient. Here's how to formally present this:1.
Document the Load Calculation
Create a table (or use a standard load calculation form) clearly showing each appliance, its nameplate rating, and how you applied the demand factors based on the NEC.2.
Include NEC References
Cite the NEC sections you used (especially 220.82) to justify your calculations. This shows the inspector you're following code.
3.
Consider Local Amendments
Be aware of any local electrical code amendments in your jurisdiction that might affect load calculations.4.
Show the Derivation for each calculation
Be sure to show exactly where each calculation is being derived from, to show a code official exactly how you're figuring out the demand.
Important Considerations
Future Expansion
Will you ever add more loads to this subpanel? If so, consider upsizing the feeder accordingly. It's generally better to slightly overestimate than underestimate.
NEC 220.83
If the new load will be added to an existing dwelling unit, NEC 220.83 is usually the best way to go. It is similar to 220.82, but offers a bit of increased accuracy.*
Inspector's Discretion: The electrical inspector has the final say. Being prepared with a well-documented, code-compliant load calculation is the best way to gain their approval. If your appliances have low minimum circuit ampacity ratings, the code official should consider that.By using nameplate data, understanding appliance diversity, and applying appropriate NEC demand factors, you can create a realistic load calculation that justifies your desired 150A feeder size. Good luck! Flag for review