User: PWR_ENG, Location: Tomball, TX
Asked on: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 12:44 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:33 am EST
Question: Hey All,I have been a long-time reader and user of this forum but have never posted anything. I appreciate any information and feedback that you provide.Summary:I am designing an industrial power system for multiple 13.8 kV generators to run in parallel. The grounding scheme currently in place at other locations (not by my design) does not have the equipment ground tied through to the switchgear and downstream loads. The generators have individual ground grids that are bonded together (3 ground rods in a triangle each) and then the switchgear and loads have individual ground grids (same ground rod configuration). The generation GEC and the switchgear GEC are not tied together. That means that any ground fault that occurs would be returning through the earth back to the generators.Here are some of the high-level details:- The generators have 13.8kV Wye output and each has a separate high-resistance ground.- The cable assembly from the generator to the switchgear is a 3-wire, 15kV heavy-duty portable power cable WITHOUT a ground terminated.- The cable assembly from the switchgear to the loads is a 3-wire, 15kV heavy-duty portable power cable WITH ground terminated.- The loads each have separate low-resistance grounds.- Here is the link to a simple drawing that I have made: https://ibb.co/PvV1RhWgMy thoughts:The big problem that I see here is the path back to the source is unknown and therefore the resistance in the path through earth is unknown. This could affect the generator relay ground pickup elements since we could be adding resistance in the path back to the source. I strongly believe that the switchgear GE's should be tied back to the generation GE's. NEC 250.4(A)(5) clearly states that the earth shall not be considered an effective ground-fault return path, and NEC 250.54 allows auxiliary GE's but references 250.4(A)(5), so I take that as they need to be bonded to the GEC. From a safety perspective, I cannot definitively say this is unsafe since I do not know if the step/touch potential exceeds 50VAC, but I would not be surprised if there was a difference in potential. Mike Holt had a great article that I found in research that talks about how ground rods do not reduce touch potential here.My questions I have:I would like to know if anyone has seen something similar to this and can point to other standards that would allow the isolation of the GE's. I have looked through the NEC, IEEE-142, and IEEE-80 and have yet to find an exception to this. Regarding safety, I would like to know your thoughts and experience in situations like this. On the auxiliary grounding for the switchgear and loads, I have not done a lot of multi-grounded schemes before, but I do not see a risk here and would like to know your thoughts on keeping/removing those and making it a single-point grounded system. Again, I believe that the grounding from generation to switchgear is incorrect and should be addressed but would like to use the knowledge base of this forum to shoot holes in my analysis lol.
You're right to be concerned. The system you've described has significant potential for problems, and you're correct in identifying the lack of a defined, low-impedance ground fault return path as a key issue. Let's break down the concerns and address your questions.
Why this is Problematic
Ground Fault Current Path
The most significant issue is the reliance on the earth as the primary ground fault return path. As you pointed out, this is explicitly prohibited by NEC 250.4(A)(5). The earth is a poor conductor and offers a high impedance path.
Relay Protection
The high impedance of the earth path will limit ground fault current. This can prevent protective devices (like the ground fault relays on the generators) from operating quickly or at all, leading to:
Equipment Damage
Prolonged ground faults can cause severe damage to generators, cables, switchgear, and connected loads.
Increased Arc Flash Hazard
Slower fault clearing times dramatically increase the arc flash energy and hazard.
Step and Touch Potential
As you mentioned, a ground fault could raise the potential of the earth near the fault location. Without a proper ground grid bonded to the equipment, step and touch potentials could exceed safe limits.
Voltage Gradients
During a ground fault, the current injected into the earth will create voltage gradients. These gradients can interfere with sensitive electronic equipment and communication circuits.
Multiple Grounds (Potential Issue)
While individual grounding is usually a good thing, having multiple unconnected ground grids (generator, switchgear, loads) creates a high-risk environment. This can create large potential differences between the ground grids during a fault.
Addressing Your Questions
Standards Allowing Isolation of GECs
You are unlikely to find a standard that allows isolation of the GECs in this manner. The NEC, IEEE 142 (Green Book), and IEEE 80 (Guide for Safety in AC Substation Grounding) all emphasize the importance of a low-impedance ground fault return path and equipotential bonding. While there might be very specific circumstances where isolation could be considered (e.g., in a system designed to intentionally float with ground fault detection systems and emergency shutdown), those are highly specialized and require extensive engineering analysis and specialized equipment. Those are extremely rare. What you've described doesn't fit that.2.
Safety Concerns
This system, as described, is inherently unsafe. The undefined ground fault return path and potential for significant step and touch potentials create a serious shock hazard. Without detailed ground impedance testing and calculations, you cannot guarantee safety.3.
Auxiliary Grounding for Switchgear and Loads
Your instinct to tie everything together is correct. The goal is to create an equipotential plane, minimizing voltage differences between equipment and the surrounding earth. Here's what you should do:
Bonding
Bond all ground grids (generators, switchgear, loads) together with a sufficiently sized grounding conductor. This creates a common grounding electrode system. The size of the grounding conductor should be determined by a fault study per NEC 250.66.
Grounding Electrode System
The combined ground grid should form a comprehensive grounding electrode system.
Equipment Grounding Conductor (EGC)
Run an EGC from the generator to the switchgear and from the switchgear to the loads. This EGC provides a low-impedance path for ground fault current. Use 4-wire cable for the generator to the switchgear. If using existing 3-wire cable, a safety review should be conducted to ensure that the cable meets the safety and electrical codes.
Single-Point Ground (Myth Debunked)
The idea of a "single-point ground" is often misunderstood. While it's important to avoid ground loops in sensitive electronic circuits, in power distribution systems, a multi-grounded system is preferred for safety and fault clearing.
Recommendations
Comprehensive Grounding Study
Conduct a thorough grounding study, including:
Soil Resistivity Testing
Determine the soil resistivity at the site. This is crucial for designing an effective ground grid.
Fault Current Analysis
Calculate the maximum ground fault current that can occur at various points in the system.
Ground Grid Design
Design a ground grid that meets the requirements of IEEE 80 and other applicable standards. This will involve determining the size and spacing of ground conductors, the depth of burial, and the number and placement of ground rods.
Step and Touch Potential Calculations
Calculate the step and touch potentials that will occur during a ground fault. Ensure that these potentials are within safe limits.
Impedance to Ground Testing
Measure the impedance to ground for your generator, switchgear, and load grids to compare to your calculated value in your study.2.
Implement Proper Grounding System
Based on the grounding study, implement a proper grounding system that includes:
Bonded Ground Grids
Bond all ground grids together.
Equipment Grounding Conductors
Run EGCs with all power cables.
Low-Impedance Ground Fault Return Path
Ensure a low-impedance path for ground fault current.3.
Review Protective Device Coordination
Review the coordination of all protective devices (relays, circuit breakers, fuses) to ensure that they will operate quickly and effectively in the event of a ground fault.4.
Personnel Training
Train personnel on the hazards of electricity and the importance of proper grounding.
Addressing the Existing Cables
The fact that the cable from the generator to the switchgear does not have a ground conductor is a major red flag. You have two options:
Replace the Cable
The best option is to replace the cable with a 4-wire cable (3 phases + ground).
Run a Separate Ground Conductor
If replacing the cable is not feasible, you could run a separate, adequately sized grounding conductor alongside the existing cable. This conductor should be bonded to the generator frame and the switchgear enclosure. You'll need to calculate the appropriate size of this conductor based on the potential fault current.
Legal and Ethical Considerations
As an engineer, you have a professional responsibility to ensure the safety of the system you design. If you believe that the existing system is unsafe, you have a duty to inform your client or employer of the risks and to recommend corrective actions. Do not sign off on a design that you believe to be unsafe.
In summary, what you've described is not a safe or compliant grounding system. A comprehensive grounding study and implementation of a proper grounding system are essential to ensure the safety of personnel and equipment.Disclaimer: I am an AI Chatbot and not a qualified electrical engineer. This information is for educational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Always consult with a qualified electrical engineer for the design and implementation of electrical systems.* Flag for review