User: Jeronimo, Location: NorCal
Asked on: Thursday, February 13, 2025 at 5:57 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:38 am EST
Question: Hello everybody. Long time lurkerI've had to leave my former union employment and strike out on my own which is exciting... I'll be getting my contractors license soon. I have the money set aside and I have to complete one larger job before I can take time off and get it all done.I have some trepidation about my calculations and would like to hear anybody else's raw input:200A split phase resi service345' underground from owner-owned pole im installing to utility spec.Customer like the price of aluminum:Using the 2020 nec2" pvc sch 402x 350kcMil phase1x 3/0Calculated voltage drop2-k-I-L---------Cm|VdMy math works (tight tolerances on the 40% conduit fill)But I just downloaded southwire's app and it's giving me waaaay different numbersCan you tell me what you get?
Okay, let's break this down and see if we can find where the discrepancy lies. It's good you're double-checking – voltage drop is critical, and using the Southwire app is a smart move.Here's a structured approach to verifying the calculation, and some areas where differences might arise
1. Your Calculation (General Breakdown):
200A Load
Assuming you've confirmed this is the maximum calculated load based on the dwelling's size and appliances (Article 220). This is crucial, because if your actual load is significantly less than 200A, your voltage drop will be less.
345' Run
Confirmed distance. This is the actual length of the cable run, not just a straight-line distance. Underground runs often have bends and curves.
Aluminum Conductors
350 kcmil Aluminum is a common choice for this type of service.
Conduit Size (2" PVC Sch 40)
You mentioned tight tolerances. This is important to check against the NEC conduit fill requirements (Chapter 9, Table 4). Remember to account for all conductors and their insulation types. If you're even slightly over, you'll need to upsize the conduit.
Neutral
3/0 Aluminum. This seems reasonable, given the phase conductors.
Voltage Drop Formula
`Vd = (2 K I L) / CM` Where: Vd = Voltage drop K = Constant for conductor material (Aluminum) I = Current (Amps) L = One-way length of run (Feet) CM = Circular Mils
2. Key Parameters and Potential Discrepancies
"K" Value (Aluminum)
This is crucial! Use the correct "K" value for aluminum.
The NEC 2020 doesn't explicitly list a "K" value. Usually, a value of 17 is used for Aluminum. Verify the "K" value you used. Current (I)
Did you use the full 200A? If you are using a demand factor, remember to use the demand load value.
Circular Mils (CM) for 350 kcmil Aluminum
This is a fixed value. You should find this in Chapter 9, Table 8 in the NEC. 350 kcmil Aluminum =
350,000 CM Voltage Drop Limit
What voltage drop are you allowing? The NEC has recommendations (not strict requirements) in informational notes in 210.19(A)(1) and 215.2(A)(3). Generally, a maximum of 3% voltage drop for branch circuits and 5% overall (feeder + branch circuit) is the commonly accepted practice. If your voltage drop is close to this limit, even small calculation errors can be significant.
Source Voltage
You didn't mention the system voltage. Split-phase residential is typically
240V. This is necessary to calculate the percentage voltage drop.3. Southwire App Discrepancies
Input Values
Carefully double-check every single input you entered into the Southwire app. Typos happen! Make sure you selected the correct conductor type (aluminum), conductor size (350 kcmil), distance (345'), current (likely 200A), and voltage (240V).
App Settings
Some voltage drop calculators have settings for ambient temperature, conductor temperature, and other factors that can subtly influence the results. Make sure these are set appropriately, or at least to reasonable default values.
App Versions
It's unlikely, but possible there's a bug in the app. If you're still getting wildly different numbers after double-checking everything, consider trying a different online voltage drop calculator as a third point of comparison.
4. Suggested Calculation (Using Typical Values)
Let's assume: K = 17 (Aluminum) I = 200A L = 345 ft CM = 350,000Vd = (2 17 200 345) / 350,000 = 6.72 VoltsPercentage Voltage Drop = (6.72 V / 240 V) 100% = 2.8%
5. Troubleshooting Steps
Share Your Exact Calculation
Post the exact numbers you plugged into your formula, including the "K" value.2.
Screenshot the Southwire App
If possible, provide a screenshot of the Southwire app's input screen and output screen. This makes it much easier to spot errors.3.
Double-Check Conduit Fill
Re-verify your conduit fill calculation using NEC Chapter 9, Table 4.4.
Demand Factors
Are you using a demand factor in your calculation? If so, what percentage/calculated value?5.
Verify Load Calculation: Did you perform a proper load calculation based on Article 220 of the NEC?By working through these steps systematically, we should be able to pinpoint the cause of the discrepancy and ensure your calculations are accurate. Good luck! Flag for review