User: Therealcrt, Location: Kansas City
Asked on: Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 11:25 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:50 am EST
Question: If I have 10 number 12 THHN conductors in a three-quarter inch conduit EMT D-Ray the conductors to 50% of their ampacity. I can use 310.16 tables under the 90° C for my adjustment factor which is number 12 rated for 30a but 50% now they’re only ready for 15 A. Could I still put them on a 20 amp breaker or do I need to remove a conductor from the conduit to only adjust to 70% making the conductor rated for 21 A
You're on the right track, but let's break this down to ensure accuracy
Understanding the Code:
310.16
This table provides the allowable ampacities of conductors based on insulation type and temperature rating before any derating adjustments.
310.15(C)(1)
This section covers adjustment factors for more than three current-carrying conductors in a raceway or cable. This is where your 50% derating comes from.
240.4(D)
This section deals with overcurrent protection for conductors, including small conductors like #12.
Your Scenario Analysis
Starting Point
You have #12 THHN conductors. According to Table 310.16 (90°C column), they are initially rated for 30 amps.
2.
Derating
With 10 current-carrying conductors in the conduit, you must apply a 50% derating factor (from Table 310.15(C)(1)). 30 amps 0.50 = 15 amps.
3.
Overcurrent Protection
This is where 240.4(D) comes into play.
240.4(D)(3)
Generally, a #12 copper conductor is protected at 20 amps unless other specific conditions apply (like motor-starting applications).
The exception in 240.4(D)(3) does NOT override the derating requirements of 310.15(C)(1). The conductor must be protected at its adjusted ampacity.
Answer
You cannot put these conductors on a 20-amp breaker. NEC 240.4(B) allowing you to use the next size up of an overcurrent protective device does not apply here.You have a few options
Reduce the Number of Conductors
Remove conductors to reduce the derating requirement. With 9 CCC conductors, your ampacity adjustment would be 70%. Your #12 would be rated for 21 amps. You could put it on a 20 amp breaker.2.
Use a Larger Conductor
Use #10 THHN. #10 THHN is initially rated for 40 amps. With a 50% derating, it becomes 20 amps. Now you can use a 20-amp breaker.3.
Use Multiple Conduits
Split the conductors into multiple conduits to reduce the number of current-carrying conductors in each.
Important Considerations
Current-Carrying Conductors (CCC)
Remember that only current-carrying conductors count toward the adjustment factor. Grounding conductors and, in some cases, neutral conductors do not count.*
Continuous Loads
If the load is considered "continuous" (operates for 3 hours or more at a time), the overcurrent device must be rated for at least 125% of the continuous load. This might further limit your breaker size.
In summary, always prioritize conductor ampacity. Derating factors significantly impact the allowable ampacity and, therefore, the appropriate overcurrent protection. Consulting a qualified electrician is always recommended for complex electrical installations. Flag for review