User: rlay002, Location: Michigan
Asked on: Thursday, February 20, 2025 at 3:17 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 8:52 am EST
Question: Hi All -I have a boat hoist that is powered by 2 single phase capacitor start induction motors.The controller (up/down only) is wired with 220v from the panel through twin contactors with one of the hot legs being constant (orange) and the other switched to separate motor leads for forward and reverse based on up/down toggle (red/black).The fixed rotor current is 33A (66A total) for each motor which is marginally greater than the maximum pass through current of the Inverter (60A) - resulting in shutdown due to Max Over Current Error. The grid at the location is incredibly unreliable so switching that load to the utility isn't practical.I am looking for any suggestions for limiting LRC for a few milliseconds to get the motors to SFA of 6.8A each.Can a soft starter work here or will torque not be sufficient to start the motors under load (FLT 3 ft-lbs, LRT 9 ft-lbs)? If so, How would I size the soft starter - to SFA or LR? Is the SS device upstream of downstream of the contactors? If downstream, does each of the 3 legs need its own device?I have yet to find a single phase in/out VFD that would work in this application and replacing the motors with 3 phase would be more expensive than switching out the Inverter. Let me know if you have seen anything different.All of the precious threads on this have been incredibly helpful in getting me this and am hoping you can fill in the missing details detailed above.Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide.
Okay, let's break down this problem and explore potential solutions for your boat hoist. You've correctly identified the issue: the high Locked Rotor Current (LRC) of your motors is exceeding the capacity of your inverter, causing shutdowns. You need a way to limit the LRC long enough for the motors to spin up without losing essential torque.Here's a breakdown of approaches and considerations
1. Soft Starters - The Most Likely Solution
How They Work
Soft starters gradually increase the voltage applied to the motor during startup, reducing the current surge.
Suitability
Soft starters can work in this application if sized and configured properly. The 9 ft-lbs of LRT suggests torque should not be an issue, especially since it is a momentary surge. This is why VFDs will likely not be required.
Sizing
You need to consider both the LRC and the required torque.
Current Rating
The soft starter needs to handle the running current (SFA = 6.8A each motor, 13.6A total) and limit the LRC to below your inverter's 60A limit. The closer the better as there is no current foldback/limiter, the better. So a 20-30A starter seems appropriate.
Torque
Since you have some torque, especially if the hoist is designed to compensate for the weight, you may be able to limit to SFA to start. If not, the soft start will simply cause the motor to delay before fully running.
Location
This is critical. The soft starter MUST be installed downstream of your existing contactors. Here's why:
Existing Contactors Function
Your existing contactors provide the forward/reverse switching (Up/Down). They effectively change the motor's winding configuration to achieve the desired direction. The soft starter needs to control the voltage after that directional switching is established.
Implementation
The soft starter needs to be installed in the hot leg between each contacter and the motor.
Number of Devices
You will need two single phase soft starters, one for each motor. Soft starters work by gradually increasing the voltage to the motor. They are not designed to handle directional changes like the reversal of a phase.
Wiring
A simplified example:1. Power from Inverter panel2. "Orange" (Hot) -> Contact 1 for Up, Contact 2 for Down3. Contact 1 -> Soft Starter -> One motor.
4. Contact 2 -> Soft Starter -> Other motor.5. The neutral will run directly to each motor.
Programming
Soft starters have adjustable parameters for:
Initial Voltage
Start with a low value (e.g., 30-40% of line voltage) and increase it until the motor starts reliably.
Ramp-Up Time
Adjust the time it takes for the voltage to ramp up to full voltage. Start with a longer ramp time (e.g., 3-5 seconds) and decrease it until you find the shortest time that still avoids the overcurrent trip.
Important Considerations
Single-Phase Availability
Ensure the soft starter is explicitly rated for single-phase operation. Many are designed for three-phase only.
2. Potential Issue - Inverter Response Time
Some inverters, particularly those designed for solar/battery power, can be very sensitive to inrush currents and have a fast reaction time to overcurrents. If your inverter is shutting down extremely quickly, even a properly sized soft starter might not be fast enough. Try to obtain specifications, and if you can tune it.3. Why VFDs are Problematic (for your stated constraints)
Single-Phase In/Out VFDs are Rare
As you've discovered, they are not common, and often not designed for motor reversal applications like this.
Cost
Replacing with three-phase motors + a three-phase VFD would likely be more expensive.
4. Other Considerations
Inverter Upgrade
The most straightforward solution, but likely the most expensive, would be to replace the inverter with one that can handle the inrush current. If you are able to swap the grid with the battery power source for this load, that would be a preferred solution.
Capacitors
While you already have capacitor-start motors, adding larger or additional capacitors might help, but it's a tricky and unpredictable approach. Capacitor sizing is critical and requires careful calculations to avoid damaging the motor or creating other problems. This is usually only useful in situations where the motors run under a constant load.
Series Resistance
Adding resistance in series with the motor during startup is possible but is a rough (and not ideal) way to limit inrush current. This is how a clutch engages the motor.
Recommendations
Start with Soft Starters
This is the most promising avenue. Find a single-phase soft starter with an adjustable current limit and ramp-up time, sized to handle your running current (SFA) and limit the LRC to below 60A.2.
Proper Installation
Install the soft starters downstream of your existing contactors. This is critical for directional control.3.
Careful Tuning
Experiment with the initial voltage and ramp-up time to find the optimal settings that allow the motors to start reliably without tripping the inverter.4.
Monitor Inverter Response: If the inverter is tripping very quickly, even with the soft starter, you may need to consider an inverter upgrade.Good luck! I'm available to provide more advice as you work through this. Flag for review