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Topic: Load Calculations

User: dvcraven052256, Location: St. Louis, missouri

Asked on: Monday, February 24, 2025 at 11:51 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 9:00 am EST

Question: I would like to get some input relative my load calculations for attached panel schedule. In essence this panel is for normal power for 29 story hotel high-rise dwelling. All units are provided for via 208/120V bus duct. The attached panel schedule is for all normal power for the infrastructure of the building. I am most interested in the DF as applied.I have contacted the mechanical engineer and said I could use 90% demand for HVAC and equipment. The HVAC consist of VAV w/reheat, water source heat pumps, electric wall heat, & electric unit heaters.I am basing my OCPD for MHDP at 2000/3P from the total estimated demand.Your thought as most welcome. ThanksDan Craven

Okay, Dan, let's break down your load calculations and demand factors for your 29-story hotel high-rise dwelling normal power infrastructure panel. I'll focus on the key areas and provide considerations to ensure you're on the right track. Please remember that this is guidance, and you should always consult with a qualified electrical engineer and local codes for final approval.

Overall Thoughts



Comprehensive Load Assessment is Key

Accurate load calculations are the foundation. Don't underestimate anything. Review the mechanical drawings, equipment schedules, and any other relevant documentation thoroughly. Err on the side of being conservative.


NEC Compliance

Ensure all load calculations and demand factors align with the latest edition of the National Electrical Code (NEC). Refer to the specific articles that apply to your types of loads, such as HVAC, lighting, receptacle loads, and motor loads.

Coordination is Critical

Maintain constant communication with the mechanical engineer, architect, and other relevant parties to ensure all assumptions and loads are accurate and up-to-date.


Documentation

Meticulously document all your calculations, assumptions, and sources for review and future reference. This is essential for approval and any future modifications.

Detailed Breakdown and Considerations


HVAC Demand Factor (90%)



General Assessment

A 90% demand factor for HVAC is
potentially reasonable if you have a good understanding of the actual operating characteristics of the system. It depends greatly on the diversity of the loads and the control strategy employed.

VAV w/ Reheat

This is where you need to be careful. VAV systems can have a lower demand factor because not all zones will be calling for maximum cooling or heating simultaneously. However, the reheat coils can significantly increase the load.

Water Source Heat Pumps (WSHP)

WSHPs offer diversity since not all units will be in heating or cooling mode at the same time. A diversity factor might be suitable for these.


Electric Wall Heaters/Unit Heaters

These are the least diverse and should be considered close to 100% demand, especially if they are used for supplemental heat or in areas that require consistent heating.

Control System Impact

How sophisticated is the HVAC control system? Does it have load shedding capabilities? Demand response features? These can influence the overall demand.


Recommendations

Request Detailed HVAC Load Profiles: Ask the mechanical engineer for detailed load profiles for the HVAC system that show the expected demand at different times of the day and year. This will provide a much more accurate picture of the actual demand. Separate Load Calculations:

Break down the HVAC loads into separate categories:
VAV fan motors (likely a lower demand) VAV reheat coils (higher demand, especially during shoulder seasons) Water source heat pumps (consider diversity) Electric resistance heaters (close to 100% demand) Consider Staggered Starting: For larger HVAC equipment, is there staggered starting implemented to reduce peak demand?2.


Lighting



General Assessment

Lighting can represent a substantial load. LED lighting generally has a lower load than fluorescent or incandescent.


Considerations

Occupancy Sensors/Daylight Harvesting: If occupancy sensors and daylight harvesting are implemented, a demand factor might be appropriate, but be conservative. Time Clocks/Building Automation: Are there time clocks or a building automation system that controls lighting levels?

Recommendations

Calculate Lighting Load Accurately: Use the lighting plan to determine the total connected lighting load. Account for different areas of the building (e.g., public spaces, corridors, service areas). Apply Demand Factors Carefully: Base any demand factors on the control system and occupancy patterns.3.

Receptacle Loads



General Assessment

Receptacle loads are often underestimated.

Considerations

General-Purpose Receptacles: Use the NEC-required VA per square foot for general receptacle loads. Apply a demand factor based on the type of occupancy (e.g., office areas, corridors, mechanical rooms). Dedicated Receptacles: Don't forget dedicated receptacles for equipment like copiers, vending machines, and cleaning equipment.

Recommendations

NEC Compliance: Strictly adhere to NEC Article 220 for receptacle load calculations. Overestimate Slightly: When in doubt, overestimate the receptacle load slightly. It's better to be safe than sorry.4.

Other Equipment (Pumps, Elevators, etc.)



General Assessment

These loads are often significant and require careful consideration.


Considerations

Motor Loads:

Calculate motor loads based on nameplate data. Apply appropriate demand factors based on the type of motor and its duty cycle (continuous, intermittent, etc.). Elevators

Elevators can have high starting currents and intermittent operation. Consult with the elevator manufacturer for load information and demand factors. Pumps:

Pump loads depend on the type of system (e.g., domestic water, fire protection, HVAC). Consider the duty cycle and the need for redundancy. Recommendations

Manufacturer Data:

Obtain accurate load data from equipment manufacturers.
Duty Cycle Analysis: Analyze the duty cycle of each piece of equipment to determine the appropriate demand factor.5.


Main Hotel Distribution Panel (MHDP) OCPD Sizing (2000A/3P)



General Assessment

Sizing the OCPD based on the total estimated demand is the correct approach.


Considerations

Future Growth: Consider future expansion or changes in occupancy. It's often wise to upsize the OCPD slightly to accommodate future needs. Voltage Drop: Perform a voltage drop calculation to ensure that the OCPD size is adequate to maintain voltage within acceptable limits at the furthest point in the distribution system. Coordination Study: Conduct a coordination study to ensure that the OCPD is properly coordinated with downstream devices.

Recommendations

Review Total Demand:

Carefully review the total demand to ensure it's accurate and complete. Consider a Safety Margin

Consider adding a small safety margin (e.g., 10-20%) to the OCPD size to account for uncertainties and future growth.

Specific Panel Schedule Items (If you can provide a sample)

If you can share a section of your panel schedule showing specific loads and demand factors, I can provide more targeted feedback. For example, I'd be interested in seeing how you're handling:

Specific Motor Loads

HP, FLA, Code Letter


Receptacle Circuits

VA/sq ft calculation

Lighting Circuits

Total wattage and control type

In Summary


Verify HVAC Demand

Challenge the mechanical engineer to provide more detailed load profiles for the HVAC system. Break down the HVAC loads into separate categories and apply different demand factors based on their operating characteristics.2.

Accurate Load Calculations

Ensure that all load calculations are accurate and complete, and comply with the latest edition of the NEC.3.

Consider Future Growth

Account for potential future expansion or changes in occupancy when sizing the OCPD.4.

Voltage Drop & Coordination

Perform a voltage drop calculation and a coordination study to ensure that the OCPD is properly sized and coordinated with downstream devices.5.

Documentation:
* Meticulously document all your calculations, assumptions, and sources.By carefully considering these factors, you can ensure that your load calculations and demand factors are accurate and that your normal power infrastructure panel is properly sized and protected. Good luck! Flag for review

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