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Topic: VE Options

User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ

Asked on: Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 3:42 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 9:04 am EST

Question: We have a job in which there a good amount of MI cable but I was thinking of offering a VE option to use conduit with RHH 2 hour rated? Any reason why that could NOT be used? For some reason I'm thinking fire pump must be MI.

You're right to be thinking carefully about this. While an RHH conductor in conduit might seem similar, it's absolutely crucial to verify its suitability against the specific requirements for the application, especially when it comes to fire-rated circuits. You're wise to suspect a potential issue with fire pump circuits.Here's a breakdown of why MI cable is often specified and the considerations when proposing a VE

Why MI Cable is Often Specified for Critical Life-Safety Circuits (Like Fire Pumps):
Superior Fire Resistance

MI cable is inherently fire-resistant. The mineral insulation (magnesium oxide) and copper sheath offer excellent protection against fire, maintaining circuit integrity for extended periods. This allows fire pumps to continue operating during a fire, which is critical.


No Derating

MI cable can often be installed without derating for ambient temperature or grouping, which is an advantage in crowded electrical spaces.

Water Resistance

MI cable is virtually impervious to water and moisture, which is important in environments where water may be present.


Mechanical Strength

MI cable is extremely durable and resistant to physical damage.

Code Requirements

Building codes (e.g., IBC, NFPA 70) and specific equipment standards often mandate the use of MI cable (or specifically approved equivalent) for fire pump circuits, emergency circuits, and other critical life-safety systems.

Why Conduit with RHH, Even with a 2-Hour Rating, May NOT Be a Suitable Substitute


NEC and Local Code Compliance

This is the PRIMARY consideration.



NEC Article 695 (Fire Pumps)

This article is the key. Read it carefully! It dictates the wiring methods permitted for fire pump circuits. While the NEC may allow alternatives to MI in some circumstances, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate equivalent or superior fire resistance. Often, it requires specific listing and labeling for fire pump applications.

Local Amendments

Many jurisdictions have local amendments to the NEC that
specifically require MI cable for fire pumps. Check with the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) to confirm the local requirements.

Equipment Listings

The fire pump controller and pump themselves may be listed for use only with specific wiring methods (likely MI cable). Changing the wiring method could void the listing and create liability.

Fire Resistance Testing

The 2-hour rating on RHH wire does
not necessarily translate to a 2-hour fire-rated circuit. The entire system (conduit, fittings, boxes, supports, etc.) must be fire-rated as a unit, and proven through rigorous testing (UL 2196 or equivalent). Just because RHH has a 2-hour listing, the overall assembly may not hold up for that long.2.

Fire-Rated Conduit Systems



Not all conduit is created equal. Ordinary steel or PVC conduit will quickly fail in a fire. To be a viable VE option, you'd need a specifically designed and listed fire-rated conduit system. These systems typically involve: Heavy-walled steel conduit (often with specific coatings). Special fire-rated fittings and couplings. Fire-stopping materials at penetrations. Specific support methods to maintain integrity during a fire. The ENTIRE system has to have been tested and listed as a unit. Finding a listed fire-rated conduit system that meets the fire pump requirements and is also cost-effective compared to MI cable is often difficult.3.

Installation Requirements

Fire-rated conduit systems have very specific installation requirements to maintain their fire rating. These requirements may include: Maximum conduit fill. Specific support spacing. Proper sealing of penetrations. Qualified installers who are familiar with the system.4.

Voltage Drop

Consider any voltage drop issues that might arise from longer conduit runs compared to MI. Fire pumps require sufficient voltage to operate reliably under load.5.

Maintenance

MI cable is generally very low maintenance. A conduit system is more vulnerable to corrosion, physical damage, and improper alterations.

How to Proceed with a VE Proposal


Thorough Code Research

Absolutely the first step. Consult NEC Article 695 and local amendments.2.

Consult the AHJ

Talk to the local electrical inspector or fire marshal before you do any significant design work. Get their opinion on whether a conduit and RHH system could be acceptable.3.

Review Equipment Listings

Check the fire pump and controller listings to see if they specify any wiring restrictions.4.

Identify a Listed Fire-Rated Conduit System

If the AHJ is open to the idea, research and find a complete, UL 2196-listed (or equivalent) fire-rated conduit system that is specifically designed for life-safety circuits. Get detailed specifications and installation instructions.5.

Compare Costs

Carefully compare the cost of the fire-rated conduit system (including materials, labor, and installation requirements) to the cost of MI cable.6.

Submit a Detailed Proposal

If you believe the conduit system is a viable alternative, prepare a detailed proposal that includes: Code compliance documentation. Product specifications for the conduit system. Installation instructions. Cost comparison. Rationale for why the conduit system is equivalent or superior to MI cable in terms of fire resistance and reliability.

In Summary

While a conduit and RHH system
might be acceptable in some specific circumstances, it is

highly unlikely for fire pump circuits due to stringent code requirements and the superior fire resistance of MI cable. You need to
prove that your proposed alternative provides an equivalent or better level of safety and reliability.

Don't take shortcuts with life-safety systems!
* Carefully evaluate the risks and benefits before proposing any changes. Getting it wrong could have serious consequences. Flag for review

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