User: WFMaz, Location: New York
Asked on: Friday, February 28, 2025 at 11:46 am EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 9:13 am EST
Question: I’m working on a very old machine in a machine shop. I’m not exactly sure what the machine does but it has a very large rotating table. They called me after the machine stopped running and they saw smoke coming out of the starter enclosure. I took the cover off to find a rotating switch covered in oil. From what I understand the operator turns the lever to the start position. The motor ramps up to speed and then he turns it to the run position. I was concerned that the oil contains PCB’s. Not knowing anything about this unit I threw in the towel and told them to call someone else. I would attach a photo but I can’t figure out how.Just to settle my curiosity, what am I dealing with? Thank you.
Okay, based on your description, here's a breakdown of what you're likely dealing with and the considerations regarding the oil
Likely Scenario:
The Machine
Given the large rotating table and the start/run sequence, it's very likely you're dealing with a large piece of equipment, probably a rotary surface grinder, large lathe, or rotary indexing table, or something similar. These machines often used powerful motors to rotate heavy parts.
The Starter/Switch
The rotating switch you saw is almost certainly a manual motor starter or an oil-filled drum switch (also known as a manual motor controller). These older starters have contacts that switch between different motor windings or resistances to achieve the "start" (high torque, lower voltage/current) and "run" (full voltage/current) modes. The oil serves several purposes:
Arc Suppression
When the switch contacts open and close under load, they create an arc. The oil quenches the arc, preventing it from damaging the contacts and potentially causing a fire.
Insulation
The oil provides insulation between the contacts, allowing for a more compact design.
Cooling
The oil can help dissipate heat generated by the contacts.
Why the Failure
The smoke suggests the following happened:
Overload
The motor may have been overloaded, causing excessive current draw through the starter contacts.
Contact Failure
Over time, the contacts can wear, corrode, or become pitted. This increases resistance, generating heat and potentially causing arcing.
Oil Degradation
The oil itself can break down over time, losing its insulating and arc-suppressing properties.
Short Circuit
In rare instances, a short circuit could occur within the starter itself.
The PCB Concern (and why you were right to be cautious)
Why the Concern is Valid
In older electrical equipment (especially those manufactured before the late 1970s in the US, and earlier or later depending on the country), polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) were commonly used in oil-filled components like transformers, capacitors, and, yes, sometimes even in motor starters. PCBs were valued for their excellent insulating and fire-retardant properties.
PCB Testing is Essential
You absolutely did the right thing by stopping work and advising them to call someone else. You cannot determine if the oil contains PCBs by visual inspection. Proper testing by a qualified environmental testing lab is the only way to know for sure.
Handling If PCBs are Present
If the oil tests positive for PCBs, very strict regulations apply to its handling, storage, and disposal. This is because PCBs are persistent environmental pollutants and are known to be harmful to human health. Specialized companies are required to handle PCB remediation.
What Needs to Happen Now (for the Machine Shop)
PCB Testing
The machine shop needs to have the oil tested for PCBs immediately. This is the top priority. They can contact an environmental testing lab that specializes in PCB analysis.2.
Starter/Switch Replacement/Repair
Regardless of the PCB results, the starter needs to be addressed. Here are a few possible options:
Replacement
Replacing the entire starter with a modern solid-state motor starter is often the best long-term solution. This offers better protection, efficiency, and eliminates the PCB risk.
Rebuild/Refurbish
Some companies specialize in rebuilding old motor starters. This might be an option if the original starter is particularly unique or if a direct replacement isn't available. However, this will still require the PCB test.
Oil Change (If No PCBs)
If the oil tests negative for PCBs, a qualified electrician might be able to simply clean the contacts and replace the oil with a modern, PCB-free insulating oil. However, this is usually a short-term fix, as the underlying issues (worn contacts, etc.) will likely return.3.
Motor Inspection
It would be wise to have the motor itself inspected by a qualified motor repair shop. The failure of the starter could have been caused by (or contributed to by) a problem with the motor.
Why You Made the Right Call
Working with potentially hazardous materials like PCBs without proper training and equipment is extremely dangerous. You protected yourself and others by recognizing the risk and stopping work.
In summary, the situation likely involves a failing motor starter (possibly an oil-filled drum switch) on an old machine, with a high probability of the oil containing PCBs. Your caution was absolutely warranted, and the next steps must involve PCB testing and proper handling of the oil and the failed starter. Flag for review