User: bcl, Location: Garden Ridge, TX
Asked on: Friday, February 28, 2025 at 6:39 pm EST
Answered on: Thursday, March 6, 2025 at 9:14 am EST
Question: Recently was handed a set of prints for estimating. (20) EV chargers fed from a 400 amp/ 480v busway. They have designed such that each individual charger has its own 15kVA transformer (480/240). This designed seemed to me to be sort of silly. Why not just install a larger transformer at the beginning of the circuit and run a larger busway. The labor and material to install 20 individual transformers (and hang them 20' in the air!) seems so much more than having a transformer at the beginning of the circuit.While you're reading this, I'm also having this issue that can't get a fast enough answer back from suppliers...and haven't installed busway in a long time. Is there a ball-park for how much you expect to pay per foot for 400 amp copper busway? Here are the details I have:3 phase, 3 wire with internal ground (not grounded enclosure), 400 amp, 480vThe run is about 250 feet, with the final 100 feet installed as bus-plug with (20) 30 amp plugs for EV chargers.I'm good on labor and material count, but everyone says "they'll get back to me" on price, and I'm looking for at least a ballpark I can give the GC now.Thanks in advance!
You're right, the 20 individual transformer setup does sound unnecessarily complex and expensive. Let's break down the "why" and then tackle the pricing.
Why the Individual Transformers Design is Probably Suboptimal
Cost
As you pointed out, the cost of 20 transformers, plus the labor to install and wire each one at 20 feet high, will likely be far more than a single, larger transformer and a beefier busway.
Complexity
20 transformers adds significant complexity to the system. More points of failure, more components to inspect and maintain.
Space
Even small 15kVA transformers take up space. 20 of them will require significant overhead clearance and possibly require additional structural support.
Efficiency
Each transformer has losses. While a single larger transformer will also have losses, the cumulative losses of 20 smaller units may be higher, depending on transformer efficiency curves. It would require a more detailed energy analysis to verify.
Potential Upsides (although unlikely to outweigh the negatives)
Redundancy
If one transformer fails, only one charger is affected. However, a well-designed system with a single transformer could incorporate redundancy as well.
Voltage Drop
With individual transformers, voltage drop to each charger might be slightly better than a long run from a single transformer. However, proper busway sizing and voltage drop calculations should mitigate this.
Load Diversity
The original designers may have anticipated that the chargers would not draw their maximum power at the same time. By using smaller transformers, they can reduce the overall system demand and minimize the need for a larger transformer.
Possible (but unlikely) Reasons for the Original Design (you'd need to confirm with the engineer)
Existing Infrastructure Limitations
Perhaps the existing service or panelboard only has capacity at 480V, and it was easier to tap into that than to upgrade to a higher voltage service. Unlikely, but possible.
Manufacturer Preference/Bundle Deal
The design might be driven by a specific manufacturer who offered a package deal on these smaller transformers.
Misunderstanding of EV Charger Requirements
Some EV chargers might require a dedicated transformer for isolation or specific voltage requirements. However, most modern chargers can operate directly on 240V from a properly sized circuit.
Load Diversity
As mentioned before, if the engineers think you can get away with a smaller transformer and smaller busway, they would have used individual transformers to limit the system load.
The Better Approach: Single Transformer, Larger Busway (or Panel)
A single transformer at the head of the busway, stepping down 480V to 240V, is almost certainly the more economical and practical solution. This would require:1.
A larger transformer
Calculate the total kVA load of all 20 chargers (15kVA 20 = 300kVA). Factor in any diversity you anticipate (unlikely all chargers will be at full load simultaneously). Size the transformer accordingly.2.
Larger busway (or Panel)
The busway will need to carry the full load of the 20 chargers, plus any additional capacity for future expansion. A panelboard feeding individual circuits can be easier to expand in the future.
Busway Pricing Ballpark (with caveats!) Disclaimer
Busway prices fluctuate wildly based on current metal prices (especially copper), manufacturer, lead times, and your location. The following is a very rough estimate only! Obtain firm quotes ASAP.
400A Copper Busway (3-Phase, 3-Wire + Internal Ground)
You can expect to pay
around $80-$120 per foot for materials only. (Keep in mind these prices have gone up, and vary widely based on material cost). This is a very wide range, but it gives you a starting point. It does not include installation labor, hangers, elbows, end closures, or the bus plugs. Bus Plugs (30A)
Expect to pay
$300 - $500+ per plug, depending on the brand and features (fuses, breakers, etc.). Important Factors Affecting Price
Copper vs. Aluminum
Aluminum busway is cheaper but has limitations in terms of ampacity for a given physical size.
Manufacturer
There are several reputable busway manufacturers (e.g., Siemens, GE, Eaton/Cutler-Hammer). Get quotes from multiple vendors.*
Lead Time
Longer lead times might allow for better pricing (if the supplier can lock in material costs). Shorter lead times often mean higher prices due to material scarcity.
Actionable Steps for You
Push for Firm Quotes
Keep hounding your suppliers for firm quotes on the busway and bus plugs. Emphasize the urgency of the situation.2.
Present the Alternative Design to the GC and Engineer
Clearly outline the cost savings, reduced complexity, and potential efficiency gains of the single transformer/larger busway approach. Include rough pricing for both options.3.
Get Transformer Quotes
Get quotes for a properly sized transformer (e.g., 300kVA or higher, depending on load calculations and diversity).4.
Consider a Panelboard Option
Instead of busway, consider a large panelboard at the head of the circuit. This may have cost or flexibility advantages.5.
Document Everything: Keep meticulous records of all communication, quotes, and design changes.Good luck! This is a situation where clear communication and a well-documented cost analysis can make a huge difference. Flag for review