User: JoeNorm, Location: WA
Asked on: Tuesday, March 11, 2025 at 10:10 am EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, March 11, 2025 at 10:10 am EDT
Question: I have a homeowner who wants to "modernize" her recessed can lights in her kitchen, and also add one light.Do they make a retrofit kit that would also have a matching "canless" cut-in light?And regarding the LED retrofit kits, who makes the best one? Do any of them remain recessed like the original light? the ones I see end up with light basically at the surface.Thanks
You've got a common scenario, and there are definitely solutions for modernizing recessed can lights while adding a new one! Let's break it down
1. Retrofit Kits and Matching Canless Lights:
Yes, matching options exist, but it may take some searching. The goal is to find a manufacturer that offers both retrofit kits and canless/integrated LED downlights in the same trim style and color temperature. This ensures a consistent look across all your lights. Here's why you'd want that: Aesthetics
A uniform appearance is crucial for a "modernized" look. Mismatched trim or color temperatures will detract from the overall design.
Value
A simple and easy to match trim means they are likely mass produced, and not cost as much.
How to find them
Start with Major Brands
Major lighting brands are the most likely to offer consistent product lines. Look at websites of companies like:
Halo/Eaton
Popular for their retrofit kits and also make some integrated LEDs.
Lithonia Lighting
Another large manufacturer with a wide range of options.
Commercial Electric (Home Depot house brand)
Often a budget-friendly option. Check if they have a matching "canless" version of their retrofit kits.
Online Retailers
Search terms like "LED retrofit kit [trim color] matching canless light" or "integrated LED downlight [trim color]". Pay close attention to the product descriptions and specifications to ensure the trim styles and color temperatures (Kelvin rating) match exactly.
Lighting Showrooms
Visiting a lighting showroom is a great idea if the homeowner is willing. They can see the fixtures in person and get expert advice. The staff can usually identify matching options.
2. Best LED Retrofit Kits
"Best" is subjective, but here are factors to consider and some top brands
Light Quality (CRI)
Look for a CRI (Color Rendering Index) of 90 or higher. This means the light renders colors more accurately, making the kitchen look more vibrant and natural.
Color Temperature (Kelvin)
For kitchens, 2700K (warm white) to 3000K (soft white) is common for a cozy feel. 3500K (neutral white) to 4000K (cool white) is often preferred for task lighting. Get the homeowner's preference!
Dimmability
Ensure the kit is compatible with dimmers if the homeowner wants dimming control. Some LEDs require specific dimmer types.
Ease of Installation
Most kits are designed to be very easy to install (screw into the existing socket). Look for ones with clear instructions and robust connectors.
Energy Efficiency (Lumens per Watt)
Higher lumens per watt mean more light for less energy.
Warranty
A good warranty is a sign of quality.
Budget
Prices vary significantly.
Popular and Reputable Brands
Halo/Eaton
Considered a reliable choice, especially for their easy installation.
Philips
Well-known for quality and efficiency.
Cree
Another highly regarded brand, often with excellent light quality.
Feit Electric
A common and generally reliable brand, often found at big box stores.
Hyperikon
Good for high-lumen output and efficiency.
Sunco Lighting
Popular online, often with good value.
3. Recessed vs. Surface-Mounted Appearance
You are correct! Many LED retrofit kits sit flush or nearly flush with the ceiling. This is because the heat sink for the LED is often built into the trim itself. If the homeowner specifically wants the light to remain recessed
Look for "Baffle Trim" Retrofit Kits
Baffle trims are designed to recess the light source slightly and reduce glare. This can provide a more traditional recessed look.
Consider "Deep Baffle" Trims
These offer even more recessing.
Look for retrofit kits with a smaller diameter. A narrower trim can sometimes give the illusion of being slightly more recessed, even if it's still relatively flush. Integrated LED Downlights with Deep Baffle Trim
These can sometimes offer the best combination of a modern LED with a recessed appearance. This might be the best bet for a consistent look across the kitchen.
4. Adding a New Light (Canless vs. Can)
Canless/Integrated LED Downlights are generally easier to install because you don't need to install a separate can housing. They are designed to be wired directly to the electrical box and then clipped into the ceiling. Existing Cans
If you're dealing with existing cans, you must use a retrofit kit. Do not try to install a canless light into an existing can – this is unsafe.
New Location
For the new light, strongly consider the canless option. It's faster, simpler, and often less expensive.
Important Considerations
Electrical Code
Always ensure your work complies with local electrical codes. If you're not comfortable with electrical work, hire a licensed electrician.
Dimmer Compatibility
Check the dimmer compatibility list for the specific LED retrofit kit or downlight you choose. Not all LEDs work with all dimmers.
Measure Existing Cans
Measure the diameter of the existing can openings to ensure the retrofit kits will fit properly. Common sizes are 4", 5", and 6".
Wire Gauge
Make sure your wire gauge is appropriate for the circuit's amperage.
Homeowner Preferences
Involve the homeowner in the decision-making process. Show them examples of different trim styles, color temperatures, and light output levels.
In Summary
Identify a Manufacturer
Find a brand that offers both retrofit kits and* canless lights with matching trim styles and color temperatures.2.
Prioritize Light Quality
Look for high CRI and the appropriate Kelvin rating for the kitchen.3.
Consider Appearance
Choose retrofit kits or integrated downlights with baffle trims if the homeowner wants a more recessed look.4.
Opt for Canless for New Light
Use a canless light for the new location for easier installation.5.
Double-Check Compatibility: Verify dimmer compatibility and measure existing cans to ensure a proper fit.Good luck with the project! Let me know if you have more questions. Flag for review