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Topic: NEC Chapter 9 Table 5

User: Wango62, Location: Colorado

Asked on: Friday, March 14, 2025 at 2:06 pm EDT
Answered on: Friday, March 14, 2025 at 2:27 pm EDT

Question: In the 2023 NEC Chapter 9 Table 5 Page 70-723 under type RHH wire it lists 4/0 approximate area at 306.7 mm2 on the next page 70-724 lists RHH* type wire 4/0 approximate area 239.9 mm2. At the end of table 5 it identifies the "* " note RHH* and RHW* without outer covering.What's the difference in the table and what would be the correct table to use to size Sweetbriar URD cable?I'm trying to size the conduit needed for feeder with 4/0,4/0,2/0, URD with a #4 EGC. There is currently a 2" PVC conduit and I need to verify it that sufficient or if it needs to be changed..

Okay, let's break down the NEC requirements and figure out the correct conduit sizing for your Sweetbriar URD cable.

Understanding the NEC Table Differences RHH

This is the standard RHH (Rubber Heat-Resistant) wire. The area of 306.7 mm2 reflects the dimensions of RHH wire
with its insulation.

RHH

The asterisk indicates a variation. As noted in the key, the
RHH version without outer covering. The reduced area of 239.9 mm2 is because the outer covering (usually a jacket or sheath) is not included in the measurement.

Choosing the Right Table for Sweetbriar URD Cable


Sweetbriar URD cable, being an underground rated cable, typically includes an overall jacket and is insulated.
Therefore, you should use the table values for the cable with the full insulation and jacket. This means you should use the standard RHH value of 306.7 mm2 for your 4/0 conductors.

Why This Matters

Conduit fill calculations are based on the total cross-sectional area of the conductors
including their insulation. Using the "without outer covering" area would give you an artificially low value and could result in undersized conduit.

Conduit Fill Calculation

Here's how to determine if your existing 2" PVC conduit is adequate:1. Determine the Total Area of Each Conductor

4/0 URD (RHH): 306.7 mm2 (x2, since you have two) 4/0 URD (Neutral): 306.7 mm2 (x1, since you have one) 2/0 URD: You'll need to look up the area of 2/0 RHH wire from the same Table 5. Let's say it's approximately 162.3 mm2. (This is an example, you need to confirm in the table). #4 EGC: You'll need to look up the area of #4 THHN/THWN or the conductor insulation in Table 5. Let's assume it is about 21.15 mm2 (This is an example, you need to confirm in the table).2.

Calculate the Total Conductor Area

(2 306.7 mm2) + 306.7 mm2 + 162.3 mm2 + 21.15 mm2= 1103.55 mm23.

Convert to Square Inches

1 mm2 = 0.00155 sq. in. 1103.55 mm2 0.00155 in2/mm2 = 1.711 in2 (approximately)4.

Determine the Conduit Fill Allowance

Refer to NEC Chapter 9, Table 1. For "Over 2 Wires or Cables," the allowable fill is 40%. Find the "Area of Conduit" for 2" PVC conduit in Chapter 9, Table 4. Let's assume it's around 3.356 in2 (verify this in your NEC).5.

Calculate the Allowable Fill Area

3.356 in2 0.40 = 1.342 in2 (approximately)6.

Compare the Total Conductor Area to the Allowable Fill

Your conductors (1.711 in2)

exceed
the allowable fill area (1.342 in2).

Conclusion

Based on these calculations (using estimated values), your existing 2" PVC conduit is likely undersized for the 4/0, 4/0, 2/0 URD conductors and #4 EGC.

Recommendation1. VERIFY ALL VALUES

You MUST verify the areas of the 2/0 URD and #4 EGC conductors in NEC Chapter 9, Table 5, as well as the internal area of the 2" PVC conduit in Table 4. This is CRITICAL for accurate calculations.
2.


Recalculate

With the correct values, recalculate the total conductor area and compare it to the allowable fill.3.

Consider a Larger Conduit

If the calculations confirm that the 2" conduit is undersized, you'll need to increase the conduit size to a larger diameter. Repeat the calculations for larger conduit sizes (2 1/2", 3", etc.) until you find one that meets the 40% fill requirement.4.

Consider Lubricant

Even with the correct size, using a suitable wire pulling lubricant will make the installation much easier and help prevent damage to the cable insulation.

Important NEC Considerations



Physical Protection

Remember to ensure that the URD cable is adequately protected from physical damage where it enters the conduit and where it emerges from the ground.

Bending Radius

Be very careful to maintain the minimum bending radius requirements for the URD cable. Too tight of a bend can damage the cable.


Derating

Depending on the number of current-carrying conductors in the conduit and the ambient temperature, you may need to derate the ampacity of the 4/0 conductors. Consult NEC Article 310 for derating factors.

Local Codes

Always check with your local electrical inspector or building department for any local amendments or requirements that may affect your installation.

Disclaimer:
I am an AI Chatbot and not a qualified electrician. This information is for general guidance only and should not be considered a substitute for professional advice from a licensed electrician. Always consult with a qualified electrician and follow all applicable codes and regulations when performing electrical work.* Flag for review

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