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Topic: New home LED can trims strobing

User: Jawrenn18, Location: Charleston SC

Asked on: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 6:16 pm EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 11:16 pm EDT

Question: Good afternoon,We recently completed the setout on a new construction home and are having quite the issue. We have 2 bedrooms and a living room that the LED 1 peice recess trims strobe when anything is plugged in. We have checked all connections and wiring in switches, outlets and cans. All good. Checked the neutral lug in the panel and all the neutral wires. All good. No dimmers standard wall switches. Each bedroom is on its own breaker and consists of 5-6 outlets, 4 cans and 1 ceiling fan. Lights work fine but as soon as anything is plugged in the cans start to strobe. I'll post a video as well. I'm down to thinking the trims may have an issue but there are about 80 in this house and only these rooms are doing it. Even when I plug in the polarity tester that comes with my circuit tracer they strobe. Has anyone run into this? Circuits are 15 amps and nothing else is on except the cans. To be clear each individual circuit consists of 5-6 outlets, 4 led cans and 1 DC motor ceiling fan. Fan is off while we're testing so no load from that either. Trims are Juno 4" led "retro fit" but we're supplied by builder for the standard recess housings. Breakers are arc fault Simens brand and new from supplier. Any advice or thoughts appreciated! Sorry video to large to upload.

Okay, this is a tricky but common situation. Let's break down the problem and explore solutions for your egress lighting in this warehouse.

Understanding the Requirements (Code and Practicality) Code Compliance (NEC, IBC, Local)

Egress lighting MUST be:


Reliable

It has to work when the normal power fails.

Unswitched

It cannot be controlled by a normal switch or occupancy sensor that could inadvertently turn it off during an emergency.


Sufficient Illumination

Provide the minimum lux/foot-candle levels required by code along the egress paths.

Emergency Power Source

Typically a generator, UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply), or battery backup system. This is the most critical part.


Labeled and Tested

Emergency lights need proper labeling and a regular testing schedule to ensure functionality.

Practical Considerations



Cost

Running new circuits across a large warehouse is expensive in terms of labor and materials.

Existing Infrastructure

Leveraging the existing 277V system,
if possible and code-compliant, is desirable.

Minimizing Disruption

You don't want to shut down the entire warehouse lighting system during the TI.

Maintenance

Consider the long-term cost of battery replacement and maintenance for any battery-backed system.


Cleanroom Suitability

Any solution must be suitable for a cleanroom environment (e.g., smooth surfaces, no particle shedding).

Possible Solutions and Their Analysis


Here's a breakdown of options, with a focus on cost-effectiveness and code compliance:1. Centralized Emergency Power System with Individual Battery Backups (Hybrid Approach - RECOMMENDED)



Description

Install a smaller centralized UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) that powers dedicated circuits serving
only the bugeye egress lights. Wire each bugeye to this UPS. Additionally, each bugeye will have an integral battery backup.

Pros



Reliable Redundancy

If power fails, both the UPS and the individual batteries engage.


Code Compliant

Meets requirements for emergency power.

Reduced Wiring Costs

The wiring runs are shorter than with a full central generator/UPS. The UPS also gives you time to start a generator.


Easier Testing

You can test the UPS/generator and the individual lights independently.

Cleanroom Suitable

Select bugeyes with appropriate ratings.


Cons



Upfront Cost

The UPS and battery-backed fixtures will be the biggest cost up front.


Battery Maintenance

You'll need a scheduled battery replacement program (usually every 3-5 years, depending on battery type).

Implementation

Determine the total power requirement (wattage) of all your bugeye lights. Size the UPS to handle this load with a safety margin. Install the UPS in a suitable location (e.g., electrical room, maintenance room). Run dedicated circuits from the UPS to your egress lights. Use emergency rated wiring.2.

Full Centralized Generator/UPS System



Description

Install a generator or large UPS to power all your existing warehouse lighting, including the egress lights.

Pros



Comprehensive Coverage

The entire warehouse is illuminated during an outage.

Eliminates Individual Battery Maintenance

You only maintain the generator/UPS.


Improved Safety

The entire warehouse is lit during an emergency.

Cons



High Cost

This is the most expensive option. Generators are costly to purchase, install, and maintain. A UPS large enough to power the entire warehouse lighting load would also be very expensive.

Complexity

Significant electrical infrastructure changes are required.


Disruption

Significant downtime is needed to connect the generator/UPS to the existing system.

Implementation

Requires extensive engineering, electrical work, and permitting. Probably not practical for a TI if you're on a tight budget.3.

Individual Battery-Backed Bugeyes (Distributed System)



Description

Install individual battery-backed emergency lights throughout the warehouse, powered by whatever existing circuit you find nearby that can be legally used.

Pros



Lower Initial Cost

Compared to a generator/UPS system.

Relatively Easy Installation

Each light is self-contained.


Cons



High Maintenance

You have to replace batteries in
every light fixture. This becomes a significant operational expense.

Reliability Concerns

Individual batteries can fail without warning.

Less Comprehensive Coverage

Only provides light in the immediate vicinity of the bugeye fixtures.


Implementation

Choose high-quality, reliable battery-backed fixtures. Establish a rigorous maintenance schedule for battery replacement and testing.

Make SURE you tap into a legal and compliant circuit
. Each light will require a 277v to 120v transformer, unless you source lights rated for 277v.4. "Cheating" The System (Do NOT do this)



Description

Wiring the bugeyes directly to the unswitched side of the existing high bay light circuits.


Pros



Lowest Cost

Minimal wiring is required.


Cons



NOT CODE COMPLIANT

The high bay lights have motion sensors, so you'd only have light when someone is present. If power fails when no one is there, you'd be in complete darkness.


DANGEROUS

Puts people at risk during an emergency.

ILLEGAL

Permit and inspection will fail.


Implementation

DO NOT DO THIS.

Key Considerations When Choosing a Solution
Budget

What's the maximum you can spend on this project?


Maintenance Requirements

How much ongoing maintenance are you willing to handle?

Reliability Needs

What's the level of risk you're willing to accept? For example, the level of redundancy that is required.


Permitting and Inspections

Talk to your local permitting authority and electrical inspector early in the process to understand their requirements.*

Cleanroom Classifications

Make sure any solution complies with cleanroom classifications of your cleanroom suites.

Steps to Take
1. Consult with a Qualified Electrical Engineer

This is crucial. They can perform load calculations, design the system to meet code, and provide detailed drawings for permitting. They can also assist with the selection of appropriate equipment.2.

Obtain Quotes from Multiple Electrical Contractors

Get bids from several qualified contractors to ensure you're getting a competitive price.3.

Submit Plans for Permitting

Your electrical engineer will prepare the necessary drawings and documentation.4.

Schedule Inspections

Once the work is complete, schedule inspections with the local authorities to ensure compliance with all applicable codes.5.

Develop a Maintenance Plan

Create a schedule for testing and battery replacement to ensure the system remains reliable.

Recommendation


Start with solution #1 (Centralized UPS with Individual Battery Backups). The redundancy provides the most code-compliant reliability while keeping costs down from a full generator/UPS and maintenance down from individual units.Good luck with your TI! Emergency lighting is critical for safety, so it's worth doing it right. Flag for review

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