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User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ

Asked on: Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:33 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:33 am EDT

Question: Looking for some help for others familiar with doing cost codes for labor install.Regarding:1. For conduit such as EMT, RGS etc. would you have ONE cost code for a size range? If so what?2. For wire same question would you have size range for ONE cost code?

Okay, let's break down cost coding for labor installation of conduit and wire, focusing on efficiency and accuracy. The key principle is finding a balance between granularity (detailed data) and manageability (ease of use and tracking).

General Principles for Cost Coding Purpose

Cost codes are for tracking actual labor costs against estimates. They help you understand where your time and money are being spent on a job.


Clarity

Cost codes should be clear and unambiguous, so electricians in the field can easily choose the correct code.

Consistency

Use the same cost code system across all projects to allow for accurate comparison and benchmarking.


Data Driven
: Base your decisions on your company's historical data. If you find that labor varies significantly within a certain range, you need more granular codes. Software Integration

Your cost coding system should integrate well with your accounting and project management software.

1. Conduit Installation Cost Codes


The big question is whether the labor hours vary significantly across the size ranges you're considering. Here's a breakdown:
The "One Size Range" Approach (and when it might work)



Scenario

If you're a small company or are not looking for a lot of data analysis, you
might get away with broader ranges if the installation time is relatively consistent within those ranges. Consider these ranges:

EMT



Code 1

EMT - Up to 1" (Includes 1/2", 3/4", 1")


Code 2

EMT - 1-1/4" to 2" (Includes 1-1/4", 1-1/2", 2")

Code 3

EMT - 2-1/2" and Larger (Includes 2-1/2", 3", 3-1/2", 4")


RGS (Rigid Galvanized Steel)

Labor varies more significantly with RGS due to weight and threading. More granular is usually better.



Code 1

RGS - Up to 3/4" (Includes 1/2", 3/4")


Code 2

RGS - 1" to 1-1/2" (Includes 1", 1-1/4", 1-1/2")

Code 3

RGS - 2" and Larger (Includes 2", 2-1/2", 3", 3-1/2", 4")


Pros

Simpler for field electricians. Fewer codes to manage.

Cons

Less accurate data. If you consistently underestimate labor on larger sizes within the range, you won't see it as clearly. Harder to identify inefficiencies related to specific sizes.

A More Granular Approach (Recommended for Most Companies)



Rationale

Labor time
does vary considerably as conduit size increases. Larger conduit is heavier, requires more supports, and can be more difficult to maneuver.

Example Codes (EMT)



EMT-050

EMT - 1/2"


EMT-075

EMT - 3/4"

EMT-100

EMT - 1"


EMT-125

EMT - 1-1/4"

EMT-150

EMT - 1-1/2"


EMT-200

EMT - 2"

EMT-250

EMT - 2-1/2"


EMT-300

EMT - 3"

EMT-350

EMT - 3-1/2"


EMT-400

EMT - 4"

Example Codes (RGS)

Similar to EMT, but even more important to separate due to weight/threading

RGS-050

RGS - 1/2"

RGS-075

RGS - 3/4"


RGS-100

RGS - 1"

RGS-125

RGS - 1-1/4"


RGS-150

RGS - 1-1/2"

RGS-200

RGS - 2"


RGS-250

RGS - 2-1/2"

RGS-300

RGS - 3"


RGS-350

RGS - 3-1/2"

RGS-400

RGS - 4"


Pros

More accurate labor tracking. Better data for estimating future jobs. Identifies potential areas for improvement (e.g., are you consistently underestimating large conduit runs?).

Cons

More codes to manage. Requires more discipline from field electricians.

Key Considerations for Conduit



Type of Conduit

EMT, RGS, PVC, Aluminum – Each material has different installation characteristics, so keep them separate.

Environment

Are you working in tight spaces, at heights, or in hazardous locations? This will impact labor. Consider adding modifiers to your codes (e.g., "EMT-100-HEIGHT" for 1" EMT installed at significant height).


Installation Method

Surface mount, concealed, trenched? These can affect labor.

Bending

Separate cost codes for conduit bending (e.g., "BEND-EMT-100").


Supports

Separate cost codes for supports. (e.g., "SUPP-EMT-100")

2. Wire/Cable Installation Cost Codes


Similar principles apply to wire/cable, but the considerations are slightly different. The "One Size Range" Approach (Use with Caution)



Scenario

Again, only consider this if you need very simple tracking and wire pulling is relatively straightforward.

Example



Code 1

Wire - Up to #10 AWG (Includes #14, #12, #10)

Code 2

Wire - #8 AWG to #2 AWG (Includes #8, #6, #4, #3, #2)


Code 3

Wire - #1 AWG and Larger (Includes #1, #1/0, #2/0, #3/0, #4/0, and larger)

Pros

Simple.

Cons

Inaccurate. Pulling #14 is very different than pulling #2.

A More Granular Approach (Recommended)



Rationale

Wire size and number of conductors significantly impact pulling time and effort.

Example Codes



WIRE-14

Wire - #14 AWG

WIRE-12

Wire - #12 AWG


WIRE-10

Wire - #10 AWG

WIRE-08

Wire - #8 AWG


WIRE-06

Wire - #6 AWG

WIRE-04

Wire - #4 AWG


WIRE-02

Wire - #2 AWG

WIRE-01

Wire - #1 AWG


WIRE-10

Wire - #1/0 AWG

WIRE-20

Wire - #2/0 AWG


WIRE-30

Wire - #3/0 AWG

WIRE-40

Wire - #4/0 AWG


WIRE-250

Wire - 250 MCM

WIRE-350

Wire - 350 MCM


WIRE-500

Wire - 500 MCM

Pros

Much more accurate data. Better understanding of labor costs per wire size.

Cons

More codes.

Key Considerations for Wire/Cable



Number of Conductors

Separate codes for single conductors vs. multi-conductor cables (e.g., "MC-12-3" for 12/3 MC Cable).


Type of Wire/Cable

THHN, XHHW, MC Cable, Teck Cable – Each has different properties and pulling characteristics. Keep these separate (e.g., "THHN-12", "MC-12-2").

Pull Length

Longer pulls take more time. Consider adding a length component (e.g., "WIRE-12-LONG" for pulls over a certain distance).


Number of Bends

More bends increase friction. A modifier might be helpful.

Conduit Fill

High conduit fill makes pulling harder.


Pulling Equipment

If you use wire pullers or other equipment, track that separately (e.g., "PULLER-SETUP", "PULLER-OPERATION").

Terminations

Separate cost codes for wire terminations (e.g., "TERM-12", "TERM-250").

Example of a Comprehensive Cost Code Structure (Combining Conduit and Wire)

Let's say you're installing 1" EMT with #12 THHN wire. You might have these cost codes:


EMT-100

Install 1" EMT

WIRE-12

Pull #12 THHN Wire


TERM-12

Terminate #12 THHN Wire

SUPP-EMT-100

Install 1" EMT Supports

Recommendations


Start Granular, Then Refine

It's easier to consolidate codes later than to try to break down broad codes into more detailed ones. Start with a more granular approach and, over time, analyze your data. If you find that the labor hours for certain sizes are consistently similar, you can combine them.2.

Talk to Your Electricians

Get their input! They are the ones using the codes, and their feedback is invaluable. Ask them what factors
actually drive labor time in the field.3.

Track Data Consistently

The quality of your cost coding system depends on the consistency with which it's used. Train your electricians thoroughly and emphasize the importance of accurate time tracking.4.

Regularly Review and Update

Your cost coding system is not static. Review it regularly (at least annually) to ensure it's still meeting your needs and reflecting current industry practices.5.

Software Capabilities:
Make sure your software can handle the level of detail you need. Some software allows for sub-codes or modifiers, which can be helpful.By carefully considering these factors and implementing a well-designed cost coding system, you can gain valuable insights into your labor costs and improve the accuracy of your estimates for future projects. Remember to tailor the system to the specific needs and characteristics of your* company and projects. Flag for review

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