User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ
Asked on: Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:33 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, March 20, 2025 at 9:33 am EDT
Question: Looking for some help for others familiar with doing cost codes for labor install.Regarding:1. For conduit such as EMT, RGS etc. would you have ONE cost code for a size range? If so what?2. For wire same question would you have size range for ONE cost code?
Okay, let's break down cost coding for labor installation of conduit and wire, focusing on efficiency and accuracy. The key principle is finding a balance between granularity (detailed data) and manageability (ease of use and tracking).
General Principles for Cost Coding Purpose
Cost codes are for tracking actual labor costs against estimates. They help you understand where your time and money are being spent on a job.
Clarity
Cost codes should be clear and unambiguous, so electricians in the field can easily choose the correct code.
Consistency
Use the same cost code system across all projects to allow for accurate comparison and benchmarking.
Data Driven: Base your decisions on your company's historical data. If you find that labor varies significantly within a certain range, you need more granular codes. Software Integration
Your cost coding system should integrate well with your accounting and project management software.
1. Conduit Installation Cost Codes
The big question is whether the labor hours vary significantly across the size ranges you're considering. Here's a breakdown: The "One Size Range" Approach (and when it might work)
Scenario
If you're a small company or are not looking for a lot of data analysis, you might get away with broader ranges if the installation time is relatively consistent within those ranges. Consider these ranges:
EMT
Code 1
EMT - Up to 1" (Includes 1/2", 3/4", 1")
Code 2
EMT - 1-1/4" to 2" (Includes 1-1/4", 1-1/2", 2")
Code 3
EMT - 2-1/2" and Larger (Includes 2-1/2", 3", 3-1/2", 4")
RGS (Rigid Galvanized Steel)
Labor varies more significantly with RGS due to weight and threading. More granular is usually better.
Code 1
RGS - Up to 3/4" (Includes 1/2", 3/4")
Code 2
RGS - 1" to 1-1/2" (Includes 1", 1-1/4", 1-1/2")
Code 3
RGS - 2" and Larger (Includes 2", 2-1/2", 3", 3-1/2", 4")
Pros
Simpler for field electricians. Fewer codes to manage.
Cons
Less accurate data. If you consistently underestimate labor on larger sizes within the range, you won't see it as clearly. Harder to identify inefficiencies related to specific sizes.
A More Granular Approach (Recommended for Most Companies)
Rationale
Labor time does vary considerably as conduit size increases. Larger conduit is heavier, requires more supports, and can be more difficult to maneuver.
Example Codes (EMT)
EMT-050
EMT - 1/2"
EMT-075
EMT - 3/4"
EMT-100
EMT - 1"
EMT-125
EMT - 1-1/4"
EMT-150
EMT - 1-1/2"
EMT-200
EMT - 2"
EMT-250
EMT - 2-1/2"
EMT-300
EMT - 3"
EMT-350
EMT - 3-1/2"
EMT-400
EMT - 4"
Example Codes (RGS)
Similar to EMT, but even more important to separate due to weight/threading
RGS-050
RGS - 1/2"
RGS-075
RGS - 3/4"
RGS-100
RGS - 1"
RGS-125
RGS - 1-1/4"
RGS-150
RGS - 1-1/2"
RGS-200
RGS - 2"
RGS-250
RGS - 2-1/2"
RGS-300
RGS - 3"
RGS-350
RGS - 3-1/2"
RGS-400
RGS - 4"
Pros
More accurate labor tracking. Better data for estimating future jobs. Identifies potential areas for improvement (e.g., are you consistently underestimating large conduit runs?).
Cons
More codes to manage. Requires more discipline from field electricians.
Key Considerations for Conduit
Type of Conduit
EMT, RGS, PVC, Aluminum – Each material has different installation characteristics, so keep them separate.
Environment
Are you working in tight spaces, at heights, or in hazardous locations? This will impact labor. Consider adding modifiers to your codes (e.g., "EMT-100-HEIGHT" for 1" EMT installed at significant height).
Installation Method
Surface mount, concealed, trenched? These can affect labor.
Bending
Separate cost codes for conduit bending (e.g., "BEND-EMT-100").
Supports
Separate cost codes for supports. (e.g., "SUPP-EMT-100")
2. Wire/Cable Installation Cost Codes
Similar principles apply to wire/cable, but the considerations are slightly different. The "One Size Range" Approach (Use with Caution)
Scenario
Again, only consider this if you need very simple tracking and wire pulling is relatively straightforward.
Example
Code 1
Wire - Up to #10 AWG (Includes #14, #12, #10)
Code 2
Wire - #8 AWG to #2 AWG (Includes #8, #6, #4, #3, #2)
Code 3
Wire - #1 AWG and Larger (Includes #1, #1/0, #2/0, #3/0, #4/0, and larger)
Pros
Simple.
Cons
Inaccurate. Pulling #14 is very different than pulling #2.
A More Granular Approach (Recommended)
Rationale
Wire size and number of conductors significantly impact pulling time and effort.
Example Codes
WIRE-14
Wire - #14 AWG
WIRE-12
Wire - #12 AWG
WIRE-10
Wire - #10 AWG
WIRE-08
Wire - #8 AWG
WIRE-06
Wire - #6 AWG
WIRE-04
Wire - #4 AWG
WIRE-02
Wire - #2 AWG
WIRE-01
Wire - #1 AWG
WIRE-10
Wire - #1/0 AWG
WIRE-20
Wire - #2/0 AWG
WIRE-30
Wire - #3/0 AWG
WIRE-40
Wire - #4/0 AWG
WIRE-250
Wire - 250 MCM
WIRE-350
Wire - 350 MCM
WIRE-500
Wire - 500 MCM
Pros
Much more accurate data. Better understanding of labor costs per wire size.
Cons
More codes.
Key Considerations for Wire/Cable
Number of Conductors
Separate codes for single conductors vs. multi-conductor cables (e.g., "MC-12-3" for 12/3 MC Cable).
Type of Wire/Cable
THHN, XHHW, MC Cable, Teck Cable – Each has different properties and pulling characteristics. Keep these separate (e.g., "THHN-12", "MC-12-2").
Pull Length
Longer pulls take more time. Consider adding a length component (e.g., "WIRE-12-LONG" for pulls over a certain distance).
Number of Bends
More bends increase friction. A modifier might be helpful.
Conduit Fill
High conduit fill makes pulling harder.
Pulling Equipment
If you use wire pullers or other equipment, track that separately (e.g., "PULLER-SETUP", "PULLER-OPERATION").
Terminations
Separate cost codes for wire terminations (e.g., "TERM-12", "TERM-250").
Example of a Comprehensive Cost Code Structure (Combining Conduit and Wire)
Let's say you're installing 1" EMT with #12 THHN wire. You might have these cost codes:
EMT-100
Install 1" EMT
WIRE-12
Pull #12 THHN Wire
TERM-12
Terminate #12 THHN Wire
SUPP-EMT-100
Install 1" EMT Supports
Recommendations
Start Granular, Then Refine
It's easier to consolidate codes later than to try to break down broad codes into more detailed ones. Start with a more granular approach and, over time, analyze your data. If you find that the labor hours for certain sizes are consistently similar, you can combine them.2.
Talk to Your Electricians
Get their input! They are the ones using the codes, and their feedback is invaluable. Ask them what factors actually drive labor time in the field.3.
Track Data Consistently
The quality of your cost coding system depends on the consistency with which it's used. Train your electricians thoroughly and emphasize the importance of accurate time tracking.4.
Regularly Review and Update
Your cost coding system is not static. Review it regularly (at least annually) to ensure it's still meeting your needs and reflecting current industry practices.5.
Software Capabilities: Make sure your software can handle the level of detail you need. Some software allows for sub-codes or modifiers, which can be helpful.By carefully considering these factors and implementing a well-designed cost coding system, you can gain valuable insights into your labor costs and improve the accuracy of your estimates for future projects. Remember to tailor the system to the specific needs and characteristics of your* company and projects. Flag for review