User: Rpack22, Location: Santa Barbara
Asked on: Friday, March 21, 2025 at 1:08 am EDT
Answered on: Friday, March 21, 2025 at 1:08 am EDT
Question: Hey all! Hope everyone is doing well.I'm installing a disconnect for an elevator and I wanted to make sure my math/NEC findings are correct.The motor is a 15HP motor, unfortunately I don't have the nameplate yet so I'm just going to use a S.F. of less than 1.14 for this demonstration to check my math.The electrical system is 3 phase 240v.From my understanding, the FLC would equate to 42A, the overload protection would be time delay fuses rated at 60 amps each, branch circuit conductors #6 copper thhn, feeder OCPD (inverse time ckt breaker) at 100 amps, feeder conductors #6 thhn.FLC - 430.248 --> 42ampsMinimum Overload Protection - 430.32 --> S.F. = 1.14; time delay fuses for inrush current 125%(FLC) = 60 amp fusesBranch Circuit Conductors - 430.33 --> 430.22(E) --> @ 140%(FLC) = 58.8 amps = #6 copperFeeder Conductors - 430.22(E) --> @ 140%(FLC) = 58.8 amps = #6 copperFeeder OCPD - 430.52 --> 250%(FLC) = 105amps --> 100 amp inverse time ckt breaker (Don't believe next size up is allowable here)Any input would be great. Thanks all!
You're on the right track, but let's refine your calculations and code references for a more accurate and compliant installation
Your Calculations and Code References Review
FLC (Full Load Current)
430.248 is the correct table. 15 HP @ 240V, 3-Phase yields 42 Amps FLC.
Correct. Overload Protection
430.32 is the correct section. With a SF less than 1.15, you can protect at 125% of FLC. 42 Amps 1.25 = 52.5 Amps. You are using 60A Time Delay Fuses.
Correct Branch Circuit Conductors
430.22(E) --> @ 140%(FLC) = 58.8 amps = #6 copper.
Correct Feeder Conductors
430.22(E) --> @ 140%(FLC) = 58.8 amps = #6 copper.
Correct Feeder OCPD
430.52 --> 250%(FLC) = 105amps --> 100 amp inverse time ckt breaker (Don't believe next size up is allowable here)
CorrectKey Considerations and Potential Issues
Elevator Specifics (Crucial)
Elevators have unique starting and running characteristics. Always consult the elevator manufacturer's specifications for specific electrical requirements. They may specify conductor sizes, OCPD types, and even require dedicated circuits. Nameplate data is essential for accurate sizing.
Your calculations should be considered preliminary until you have the actual nameplate data.2. Duty Cycle/Intermittent Operation
Elevators operate intermittently. While you correctly applied 430.22(E) (140% for intermittent duty), verify that your application truly falls under "intermittent duty." The actual operating characteristics of the elevator will determine if this is sufficient. More frequent or longer runs may require larger conductors.
3.
Voltage Drop
Voltage drop calculations are critical for elevator installations. Excessive voltage drop can cause the motor to run inefficiently, overheat, and potentially damage equipment. Calculate voltage drop from the panel to the motor, taking into account the anticipated load and distance. #6 copper might be insufficient for long runs, even though it meets the minimum ampacity requirement. Use a voltage drop calculator to verify.4.
Disconnect Sizing
Your calculations focus primarily on the motor branch circuit. The disconnect itself must be rated to interrupt the full load current of the motor. The disconnect needs to be HP-rated for the 15 HP motor at the applicable voltage.5.
Grounding/Bonding
Ensure proper grounding and bonding according to Article 250. Pay particular attention to bonding of metal raceways, enclosures, and the elevator car.
6.
Elevator-Specific Requirements (Article 620)
Article 620 of the NEC covers specific requirements for elevators, dumbwaiters, escalators, moving walks, platform lifts, and stairway chairlifts.
You MUST consult Article 620. Some key sections: 620.11
Supply Conductors. Addresses conductor sizing and types.
620.13
Voltage Limitations.
620.51
Disconnecting Means. Discusses the location and requirements for the elevator disconnect.
620.61
Overcurrent Protection.
620.85
Grounding
Summary and Recommendations
Get the Nameplate Data
Obtain the motor nameplate information (HP, voltage, FLA, service factor, etc.) immediately.2.
Consult Elevator Manufacturer
Review the elevator manufacturer's installation instructions and electrical specifications.3.
Article 620
Thoroughly review Article 620 of the NEC.4.
Voltage Drop
Perform voltage drop calculations.5.
Disconnect Rating
Ensure the disconnect switch is HP-rated for the motor.6.
Grounding
Ensure proper grounding and bonding.
Example Adjustments Based on More Information
Let's say the elevator manufacturer's specifications state that the motor runs frequently and recommends a minimum conductor size of #4 THHN copper. Even if your initial calculations indicated #6 THHN was acceptable, you must follow the manufacturer's specifications.
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