User: dvcraven052256, Location: St. Louis, missouri
Asked on: Friday, March 21, 2025 at 9:01 am EDT
Answered on: Friday, March 21, 2025 at 9:03 am EDT
Question: I have (3) Big Ass fan motors rated 3/4HP at 480/3 on a single 20a-3p branch circuit. I would like to feed these motors via PVC undergound conduits. My thinking is the these fan are several feet away from each other I plan to provide a wireway or junction box at the panel. See the attached sketch.The disconnects shown will be provided at the motor.ThanksDan Craven
Okay, Dan, I've reviewed your plan with the (3) 3/4HP 480/3 motors on a single 20A 3-pole circuit, fed through PVC underground, a wireway/junction box near the panel, and disconnects at the motors. Here's a breakdown of my assessment and some key considerations to ensure it meets NEC (National Electrical Code) requirements
Overall Assessment: Feasible, but Needs Careful Consideration of Several Factors
The basic concept is sound, but the devil is in the details. You can run multiple motors on a single branch circuit, but you need to meticulously follow NEC rules regarding motor circuit protection, conductor sizing, and disconnects. Here's a detailed breakdown
Key Considerations and NEC References:
1. Motor Full Load Amps (FLA) and Overload Protection
Find the FLA
You must use the NEC tables (typically Table 430.250) to determine the Full Load Amps (FLA) for a 3/4 HP, 480V, 3-phase motor. Do not use the nameplate amps unless they are higher than the NEC table value. For planning purposes, a 3/4 HP, 480V 3-phase motor typically has an FLA around 1.1 - 1.2 amps. (Check NEC Table 430.250 for the precise value).
Overload Protection (Motors)
Each motor must have individual overload protection to protect against running overload. This is usually provided by overload relays (OLRs) in the motor starters/contactors.
NEC 430.32 outlines the requirements. These OLRs must trip at no more than 125% of the motor's FLA (for motors with a service factor of 1.15 or greater, or a temperature rise of 40°C or less). Important
Since you're using disconnects at each motor, consider using combination motor starters/disconnects that integrate the overload protection. This simplifies wiring and ensures compliance. If you use separate disconnects and starters, make sure the overload protection is integral to the starter.
Calculate Total Motor Overload Amperage
Total the OLRs that will be used. You will use this number to size your panel breaker.2.
Branch Circuit Conductor Sizing
NEC 430.24
The branch circuit conductors supplying two or more motors must have an ampacity not less than 125% of the full-load current rating of the highest rated motor in the group, plus the sum of the full-load current ratings of all the other motors in the group.
Calculation
Let's assume the NEC Table FLA for your 3/4 HP motor is 1.2 amps. Conductor Ampacity Required = (1.25 1.2 amps) + (1.2 amps + 1.2 amps) = 1.5 + 2.4 = 3.9 amps. Since the 3/4HP motors are the same, the same will apply to any of the motors.
Considerations
Derating
You must consider derating for conduit fill (NEC 310.15(C)(1) and the notes to Table 310.15(B)(3)(a)) and ambient temperature (NEC 310.15(B)). Underground PVC conduits can experience high temperatures, especially in direct sunlight. Derate your wire accordingly. This is VERY important.
Voltage Drop
Calculate voltage drop (210.19 Informational Note #4 and 215.2(A)(4)) . Long runs can cause voltage drop, which can damage motors. Use a voltage drop calculator and adjust wire size if necessary.
Minimum Wire Size
Even with the low calculated ampacity, you must still use a wire size that is suitable for a 20A breaker. Normally this will be 12ga wire.
Grounding
Proper grounding is essential. Use a properly sized Equipment Grounding Conductor (EGC) run with the circuit conductors. Consult NEC Table 250.122 for sizing.
Neutral
Since this is a 3-phase system, you generally don't need a neutral for the motor branch circuit.3.
Short-Circuit and Ground-Fault Protection (Branch Circuit Protection)
NEC 430.52
The branch-circuit short-circuit and ground-fault protective device (your 20A breaker) is intended to protect the branch-circuit conductors, the motor control apparatus, and the motor itself against short circuits or ground faults.
Maximum Breaker Size
The maximum size of the breaker depends on the motor's code letter (found on the motor nameplate) and the type of breaker (inverse time, instantaneous trip, etc.). If the motor does not have a code letter, you must use Table 430.52. A 20A breaker may or may not be acceptable, depending on the motor characteristics.
Typically
For motors without a code letter and using standard inverse time breakers, you are typically allowed up to 250% of the motor's FLA. In this case, that would be 1.2amps 250% = 3amps.
This is the most limiting factor. IMPORTANT
The breaker primarily protects the branch circuit wiring from short circuits, not the motors from overloads (that's the job of the overload relays). The overloads must be sized no more than 125% of the motor FLA.
Coordination
The breaker and overload relays must be properly coordinated. The breaker should only trip on a short circuit or ground fault, not on a motor overload (that's what the OLRs are for).4.
Disconnecting Means
NEC 430.102
Each motor must have a disconnecting means within sight of the motor and the controller location (if the controller is not within sight of the motor). This disconnect must be rated in horsepower and suitable for interrupting the motor's locked-rotor current (LRC).
Horsepower Rating
The disconnect must have a horsepower rating equal to or greater than the motor's horsepower.
Location
Your plan to have disconnects at the motors is good.
Lockout/Tagout
The disconnects must be capable of being locked in the open (off) position for safety during maintenance (lockout/tagout procedures).5.
Wireway/Junction Box
NEC 376 (Wireways) or 314 (Junction Boxes)
Make sure the wireway or junction box is sized correctly based on the number of conductors entering and leaving and the size of the conductors (fill calculations). Use appropriate fittings for connecting the PVC conduit to the wireway/junction box. The wireway/junction box must be accessible (NEC 314.29).
6.
PVC Conduit
NEC Chapter 3
Follow all NEC requirements for PVC conduit installation, including burial depth (Table 300.5), proper supports, and expansion fittings (if needed for temperature changes).
Conduit Fill
Do not exceed the maximum allowable conduit fill (NEC Chapter 9, Table 1 and notes).
Sealing
Consider sealing the ends of the PVC conduits to prevent moisture and debris from entering.
Recommendations and Cautions
Consult a Qualified Electrician
This is crucial. Working with motor circuits and underground wiring requires expertise and a thorough understanding of the NEC. Have a qualified electrician review your plan and perform the installation.
Local Codes
Always check and comply with local electrical codes and regulations, which may be more stringent than the NEC.
Nameplate Data
Always use the motor nameplate information (especially the service factor and code letter) when making calculations.
Motor Starting Characteristics
If these fans start frequently or under heavy load, the inrush current can be significant. Consider using soft starters or variable frequency drives (VFDs) to reduce inrush current. This would affect the breaker sizing calculations.
Consider Individual Circuits
While you can run multiple motors on a single branch circuit, it is often preferable to run each motor on its own dedicated circuit. This provides better protection and isolation and simplifies troubleshooting. However, depending on the distance and voltage drop, that may not be an option.
In Summary
Your plan is potentially feasible, but you must perform all the required calculations (FLA, conductor ampacity, breaker size, voltage drop, derating) and ensure compliance with all applicable NEC requirements. Do not proceed without consulting a qualified electrician. The branch-circuit breaker size will be the limiting factor. You may need to run a dedicated circuit to each motor.
Disclaimer: This information is for general guidance only. Always consult with a licensed and qualified electrician for your specific project. Flag for review