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Topic: Few Q's on 400A/480V entrance, and busway setup.

User: fastline, Location: midwest usa

Asked on: Friday, March 28, 2025 at 9:02 pm EDT
Answered on: Friday, March 28, 2025 at 9:21 pm EDT

Question: 1. An entrance to building being designed. Will have an outdoor disconnect, then to "something", whether that is a pair, or just a single panel board. Thoughts on one better than the other? If we use Aluminum conductors, would like to use 2 sets for the service. How can the tandem set be terminated in the disconnect and panel board?2. Our area requires that any "conductor" rated over 100A (odd way to say in our code), must be Copper so intent is the stay above that to stick with Al. For that reason, a sort of "busway" type setup is being discussed, in which a larger branch will take off from the main, then pull various terminations to protected disconnects for pieces of equipment. For clarity, consider a 125A branch feeding 3 machines, each their their own disconnect off that branch. It's not ideal, and if any combination of equipment exceeds the need, they all go down, but the bean counting department has determined it will be cheaper to run one branch rather than several. Any thoughts to advice to this? I am wondering about how we will "daisy chain" to these disconnects with only one lug. I don't really like the insulated lug thing unless I have to. Seems there should be a better way.Also, no way budget will allow for a real busway here. Any branch distance would not exceed about 75ft. I think the general idea was to pepper the walls with disconnects that could be fused to serve different loads as time went on, with little disruption to the system, and keep it cleaner.

Let's break down your questions and address them systematically.

Question 1: Panelboard Configuration and Aluminum Conductor Termination Panelboard vs. Pair of Panelboards

There's no inherently "better" option without knowing the load requirements and future expansion needs. Consider:


Single Panelboard

Simpler, fewer points of failure, potentially less expensive initially. Suitable if the load is relatively straightforward and future expansion is limited. Consider a larger panelboard with plenty of spare breakers.

Two Panelboards

Allows for load balancing across phases, easier to isolate sections for maintenance, and better for future expansion if you can dedicate one panel to future loads. More expensive initially. Critical to choose panelboards with sufficient AIC ratings.


NEC Article 408

This article covers panelboard requirements. Ensure compliance, especially regarding overcurrent protection and identification.

Aluminum Conductor Termination in Disconnect and Panelboard (Parallel Sets)

Terminating parallel sets of aluminum conductors can be tricky, but here's how it's done:


Disconnect and Panelboard Requirements

The disconnect and panelboard must be listed and labeled for use with aluminum conductors and the specific conductor sizes you plan to use. This is absolutely critical. Look for AL/CU markings.

Parallel Conductors

You must follow NEC 310.10(H) for parallel conductor installation. This includes:


Minimum Size

Each parallel conductor must be at least 1/0 AWG (aluminum).

Same Characteristics

All parallel conductors for a phase, neutral, or grounding electrode conductor must:
Be the same length Have the same conductor material Be the same size in circular mil area Have the same insulation type Be terminated in the same manner

Bundling and Spacing

You must maintain adequate spacing for heat dissipation, which can be complex with parallel conductors. Derating factors apply.


Termination Methods



Double-Barrel Lugs

The ideal method. Use lugs specifically designed to accept two conductors. These are available for many large conductor sizes. Ensure the lug is rated for both the conductor size and material.


Mechanical Splices

Use UL-listed mechanical splice connectors (e.g., Polaris connectors) to splice the two conductors into a single larger conductor that fits the disconnect/panelboard lug. This adds cost and complexity. The splice must be accessible.

Insulated Multi-Tap Connectors (IMTCs)

These can sometimes be used, but check the specific listing and application. They are often designed for tap connections, not for termination of parallel conductors.


Avoid "stacking" conductors

Do not simply put two conductors under a single lug unless the lug is specifically listed and labeled for that purpose. This is a fire hazard.

Question 2: "Busway" Alternative and Daisy-Chaining Disconnects
Code Violation

The proposed design of a single 125A branch circuit feeding multiple machines, where exceeding the 125A load trips the entire branch, is a clear violation of NEC 210.20(A) and often 210.
23. Each machine should have its own overcurrent protection sized appropriately for its load. This is not just a safety issue but a code compliance issue.


"Busway" Concerns and Alternatives

You're right to be concerned about the proposed "busway" alternative. While budget is a factor, safety and code compliance cannot be compromised.

Overcurrent Protection

The key problem is the lack of individual overcurrent protection at each machine. Busway inherently
does have those protection features.

Daisy-Chaining Disconnects

Directly "daisy-chaining" from one disconnect to another using a single lug is generally not permitted unless the equipment is designed and listed for that purpose. The terminals of the disconnect are not meant to accept multiple conductors unless specifically rated and listed to do so. This is a hazardous practice.

NEC 110.3(B)

Equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with the instructions included in the listing or labeling.


Better Approaches (Even with Budget Constraints)


Multi-Outlet Branch Circuits

If the machines are small and have very low current draw, you might be able to use a multi-outlet branch circuit. However, this is rarely suitable for industrial equipment. Review NEC 210.21 and 210.23 for applicable requirements.
2.


Subpanels

Instead of daisy-chaining disconnects, consider a small subpanel located near the machines. The 125A branch circuit would feed the subpanel, and from there, individual branch circuits with proper overcurrent protection would feed each machine.3.

Tapped Branch Circuits

In specific situations, you can use a "tap" rule, but these are very limited in length. Look at NEC 240.21, which governs protection of conductors.
4.


Distribution Blocks

Use listed and labeled distribution blocks. These allow you to split a larger conductor into multiple smaller conductors in a safe and code-compliant manner. They must be properly sized for the ampacity of the conductors involved.5.

Real Busway (Used/Refurbished)

Explore options for used or refurbished busway. It might be more affordable than you think, and it is a safe and efficient solution.6.

Conduit and Wire

The most basic and often best solution is to run individual conduit and wire for each machine's branch circuit. This might be more labor-intensive than the "busway" idea, but it's code-compliant and safe.

Recommendations and Advice


Consult with an Electrical Engineer

The best advice is to engage a qualified electrical engineer to design the electrical system. They can consider all factors, including load calculations, code compliance, safety, and budget.2.

Prioritize Safety and Code Compliance

Never compromise safety or code compliance to save money. The consequences of a fire or electrical shock are far greater than the cost of proper design and installation.3.

Document Everything

Keep detailed documentation of the electrical system, including load calculations, panel schedules, conductor sizes, and equipment specifications. This will be invaluable for future maintenance and modifications.4.

Clarify Local Code Requirements

You mentioned a unique "conductor" rule regarding copper vs. aluminum. Get absolute clarity on the interpretation and application of this rule from your local electrical inspector.5.

Proper Overcurrent Protection is Paramount:
Individual overcurrent protection for each piece of equipment is non-negotiable.In summary, the "busway" concept, as described, is likely a code violation and an unsafe practice. Focus on individual branch circuits with proper overcurrent protection, possibly utilizing subpanels or distribution blocks to distribute power. Consult with an electrical engineer and prioritize safety and code compliance above all else. Flag for review

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