User: Dylan883, Location: Pennsylvania
Asked on: Saturday, March 29, 2025 at 10:10 am EDT
Answered on: Saturday, March 29, 2025 at 10:28 am EDT
Question: Okay so hopefully I don't get blasted for asking this. So I'll try to make long story short. We had some equipment we originally put all our conduit in concrete so there was no trip Hazzard or overhead Hazzard. They decided to move this equipment and cut everything flush to floor.So now they want the equipment back where it was but conduit is cut flush with floor and if you were to run on ground there would be a trip Hazzard. Someone threw out the idea of putting a junction box where conduit is cut. Is there any codes I can refer to if this is okay or not? My issue is the conduit will not connect to box just flow into it. This is 240v three phase and 480v three phase.
Okay, you're right to be cautious and ask! There are definitely code considerations here. Let's break this down
The Situation (Summarized):
Existing conduit embedded in concrete, now cut flush with the floor. Need to re-establish electrical connections to equipment in the same location. Conduit is 240V 3-phase and 480V 3-phase. The proposed solution is to use junction boxes where the conduit is cut, but the conduit won't directly connect to the box (wires will pass through).
Why the Junction Box Idea Has Problems (and Needs Careful Consideration)
Mechanical Protection
Conduit provides mechanical protection to the conductors. Simply having wires "flow" into a box doesn't provide adequate protection where the conduit ends. This is a major safety concern, especially with high voltages.
Strain Relief
Where the conduit ends, there's no built-in strain relief for the conductors. Over time, movement or pulling on the wires could cause them to become loose within the box, leading to potential arcing, shorts, or other failures.
Securing Conductors
Conductors needs to be supported. Unsupported conductors can cause issues.
Trip Hazard Mitigation
While a junction box might eliminate the sharp edge of the cut conduit, it could still create a trip hazard if not properly installed and protected. It also might just be a bigger, more solid thing to trip over.
Relevant NEC (National Electrical Code) Articles to Consider
300.4 Physical Protection
This is your starting point. This section requires conductors and raceways to be protected from physical damage. Cutting the conduit flush to the floor and then running wires into a box without proper protection almost certainly violates this.
300.15 Boxes, Conduit Bodies, or Fittings — Where Required
This section outlines where boxes or fittings must be used. Generally, any time you're making a splice, tap, or termination, you need a box or fitting.
314 Boxes, Conduit Bodies, and Handhole Enclosures
This entire article deals with the proper installation and use of boxes. Pay close attention to:
314.17 Conductors Entering Boxes, Conduit Bodies, or Fittings
This addresses how conductors must enter the box, including securing and protecting them. It specifically covers the use of connectors to properly terminate conduit to the box.
314.27 Outlet Boxes
Addresses outlet box usage.
314.40(D) Covers and Canopies. All boxes are required to have covers. 358 EMT and IMC Conduit Articles
Addresses the proper install and use of metal conduits.
Article 110 Requirements for Electrical Installations
110.3 Examination, Installation, and Use of Equipment.
110.12 Mechanical Execution of Work110.14 Electrical Connections.
Here's What You Need to Do (Proper Solutions)
Proper Conduit Extension/Connection
The right way to do this is to properly extend the conduit runs and connect them securely to the junction box. This will maintain the mechanical protection and grounding continuity. Here are a few options:
Examine the cut end of the conduit
Is there enough room to thread a coupling onto it? If so, you could extend the conduit upward using couplings and short sections of conduit, then connect to a properly sized junction box.
Use Listed Fittings
If threading isn't possible, there are various types of listed fittings (e.g., compression couplings designed for embedded conduit) that can be used to securely connect conduit extensions to the existing stubs. Make sure any fittings you use are rated for the conduit type (EMT, IMC, Rigid).
Concrete Removal
If the above aren't feasible, you might have to carefully chip away enough concrete around the conduit to allow for a proper connection. Be extremely careful not to damage the conduit or conductors inside!2.
Proper Grounding
Ensure proper grounding continuity is maintained throughout the extended conduit system. This is CRITICAL for safety with 240V and 480V systems. Use grounding bushings and bonding jumpers as needed.3.
Box Selection
Choose appropriately sized and rated junction boxes for the number and size of conductors. They must be NEMA-rated for the environment (e.g., dust-tight, waterproof, etc.) if required.4.
Conductor Protection
Use proper bushings and connectors to protect the conductors as they enter the junction box.5.
Trip Hazard Mitigation
Ensure the junction boxes are securely mounted and, if necessary, protected with bollards or other physical barriers to prevent accidental impact and tripping.6.
Permitting and Inspection
This work absolutely requires a permit and inspection by a qualified electrical inspector. They will verify that the installation meets all applicable code requirements.
Why the "Conduit Flowing Into Box" is Likely Wrong
The idea of simply letting the conduit flow into the box without a proper connection is unlikely* to meet code and creates a significant safety hazard. It's a shortcut that could lead to serious problems down the road.
In Conclusion:
Don't take shortcuts with electrical work, especially with high voltages. The safety of yourself and others depends on doing the job right. Consult with a licensed electrical contractor who is familiar with industrial electrical systems. They can assess the situation, propose a code-compliant solution, and perform the work safely and correctly. Flag for review