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Topic: T'Shooting Automotive AC Relay Circuit

User: carburatediron, Location: US

Asked on: Tuesday, April 1, 2025 at 7:58 pm EDT
Answered on: Tuesday, April 1, 2025 at 8:10 pm EDT

Question: Wifey grumbled that the cabin air isn't cooling in her car. Sure enough, the clutch isn't engaging when AC is activated. Yet the clutch engages when I run a lead straight to 12v, so the field coil is good. I plugged the OEMTOOLS 27211 into the AC relay socket and it indicated a short (according to the tool's literature) on 86--I read ~6vdc to ground on this lug. The service manual isn't much help here. Anyone know what ~6vdc on 86 means, and what my next t'shooting steps should be?

Okay, let's break down this AC clutch issue and the information you've gathered, and then strategize your next troubleshooting steps. The OEMTOOLS 27211 is a helpful tool, and you've already made good progress.

Understanding the Situation Clutch Won't Engage Normally

This is your primary symptom. The AC compressor clutch isn't getting power when the AC system is turned on.


Clutch Engages with Direct 12V

This confirms the AC compressor clutch coil itself is functional. No need to suspect the coil is open or shorted (for now).

Relay Socket Tester (OEMTOOLS 27211)

This tool tells you there's a
possible short on pin 86 of the relay socket. This is the control side of the relay, so this "short" is likely a low-voltage reading rather than a dead short to ground, since your AC system is still functioning.

6VDC on Pin 86 to Ground

This is the key piece of information. Pin 86 on the relay socket should not have voltage when the AC system is off. It should receive a signal (typically ground) from the ECM or climate control module to energize the relay and activate the clutch. A 6V reading indicates an issue on the control side of the relay circuit.

Understanding Relay Pinouts (Generally - Verify with Your Car's Wiring Diagram)


While you have a relay tester, it's always good to know what each pin should do in a standard automotive relay: 30

Fused Power (battery voltage). Always "hot."


87

Output to the load (in this case, the AC clutch). Goes to the AC compressor clutch.

85

Ground. This is part of the control circuit that energizes the relay's electromagnet. This pin typically connects to the chassis ground.


86

Control Signal (usually a ground signal). This pin receives a signal (usually a ground) from the ECM/Climate Control system to activate the relay. When pin 86 receives its signal, the electromagnet pulls the relay switch and completes the circuit between pins 30 and 87.

Possible Causes for 6VDC on Pin 86


Here's a breakdown of what could cause that 6V reading, from most likely to less likely:1. ECM/Climate Control Module Issue

This is the prime suspect. The ECM or climate control module is likely sending a low-voltage signal to the relay's control side (pin 86) when it shouldn't. This can happen if the module has a fault, a bad sensor input, or a wiring problem.2.

Wiring Problem in the Control Circuit

A short to voltage somewhere along the wire between the ECM/climate control module and pin 86 of the relay socket could be causing the voltage leak. This is less likely but important to check.3.

Failed Driver in the ECM/Climate Control Module

Most likely, these signals are generated within the ECM/climate control module by something called a "driver". A driver is basically a small transistor that the module controls. If the driver is leaking, it could be causing the 6V.4.

Sensor Input Issues

The ECM or climate control module relies on sensor data to decide whether to turn on the AC compressor. A faulty sensor (e.g., pressure sensor, temperature sensor) could be feeding incorrect data to the module, causing it to erroneously try to turn on the clutch.

Troubleshooting Steps


Here's a systematic approach:1. Verify Wiring Diagram

Crucial. Get a wiring diagram specific to your wife's car, focusing on the AC clutch circuit and the ECM/climate control module connections. This will tell you exactly which pins and wires to trace. AlldataDIY.com or Mitchell OnDemandDIY are good resources (subscription-based). Your local library may have access as well.2.

Check Related Sensors

Based on the wiring diagram, identify the sensors that influence the AC clutch operation (e.g., AC pressure sensor, ambient temperature sensor, evaporator temperature sensor). Check their values using a scan tool (if possible) or a multimeter. A bad sensor can prevent the ECM from grounding the AC relay's control circuit.3.

Disconnect ECM/Climate Control Module Connector

This is a critical test. Disconnect the connector from the ECM/Climate Control Module that carries the control signal to pin 86 of the AC relay. Refer to your wiring diagram to identify the correct wire.

Measure Voltage at Pin 86 Again

With the ECM/Climate Control Module disconnected, measure the voltage at pin 86 (relay socket) to ground.

If Voltage is Gone

This strongly suggests the ECM/Climate Control Module is the source of the voltage leak. It's very likely the module itself is faulty.


If Voltage is Still Present

This points to a short-to-voltage in the wiring between the ECM/climate control module connector and pin 86. You'll need to trace the wire, looking for damage or chafing.
4.


Inspect Wiring

Carefully inspect the wiring harness related to the AC clutch circuit, especially near the compressor, relay, and ECM/Climate Control Module. Look for: Chafed or damaged insulation Corroded connectors Wires pinched against the chassis5.

Check Ground Connections

Ensure the ECM/climate control module and the AC compressor clutch have good, clean ground connections. Poor grounds can cause all sorts of weird electrical issues.6.

Consider a Scan Tool

If you have access to a scan tool that can read live data from the ECM, monitor the AC request signal and the sensor values. This can help you pinpoint what the ECM is "seeing" and why it's not activating the clutch.7.

Final Steps (if previous steps fail)



Replace the ECM/Climate Control Module

If disconnecting the ECM/climate control module eliminated the 6V reading on pin 86, and you've ruled out wiring issues, the module is almost certainly the problem. You may need to have it programmed to your car after replacement.

Professional Diagnosis

If you're still stumped, it's time to take the car to a trusted mechanic who specializes in automotive electrical systems. They have specialized tools and experience to diagnose complex issues like this.

Important Notes



Safety First

Disconnect the battery's negative terminal before working on any electrical components.

Double-Check Everything

Before replacing any parts, double-check your wiring diagram, measurements, and connections.


Use a Multimeter Correctly:
Ensure you're using a multimeter properly and have a good ground connection for accurate readings.By following these steps, you should be able to isolate the cause of the 6V reading on pin 86 and get your wife's AC working again. Good luck! Let me know if you have any more questions as you work through it. Flag for review

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