User: Brewboy, Location: East Texas
Asked on: Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 11:31 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, April 10, 2025 at 11:34 am EDT
Question: I have an old (mid nineties) Genie gate opener SGO-1(A). There is absolutely no information about these on the internet. I called Genie and all but begged for a schematic, but they said they didn't have that anymore. I don't believe that, but I don't understand why they would deny me one, since they quit making these in the late 90's and no longer make any kind of gate opener anymore.I've been having trouble with the gate not opening or closing. I hear a click, hum and a small movement indicating that it's trying to start. The Capacitor has a lot of info on it, but the only thing I can read is the capacitance of 38uf. Everyone calls these start capacitors, so I bought 2 Titan 36-43uf, 330VAC caps. They work for a while and then quit. When i fun them a few times on the bench they get very hot and quit working, When they cool, they work again. I'm starting to believe that this is a PSC motor which requires a run cap and that's why the start caps get hot.
Okay, let's break down this Genie gate opener puzzle and figure out what's likely going on. You've done a good job troubleshooting and observing symptoms.
Understanding Your Problem and Potential Solutions1. Genie's Lack of Support
You're right, it's frustrating when manufacturers abandon older products, especially when schematics could be helpful. There might be several reasons they don't provide them:
Liability
Providing information on old, possibly unsafe equipment can open them to liability.
Lack of Documentation
While it's hard to believe, sometimes paper documents are lost or become inaccessible over time, especially with mergers and acquisitions.
Obsolescence
They want you to buy a new opener.2.
Motor Type: PSC (Permanent Split Capacitor) vs. Start Capacitor Motor
This is the key question. Your observation about the capacitor overheating strongly suggests you're dealing with a PSC motor,
NOT a start capacitor motor. Here's why: Start Capacitors
These capacitors are only in the circuit momentarily to provide a boost of torque during starting. A centrifugal switch or electronic control typically disconnects them once the motor reaches a certain speed. If a start capacitor remains in the circuit continuously, it will overheat and fail.
PSC Capacitors (Run Capacitors)
These capacitors remain in the circuit continuously while the motor is running. They are designed for continuous duty and are built to handle the heat generated.3.
Your Experiment Points to PSC
The fact that the capacitors you're using (intended as start caps) get hot and fail strongly indicates they aren't designed for continuous duty.
Here's my assessment and recommended course of action
Confirm PSC Motor
The first step is to confirm your theory that you have a PSC motor. Open the motor and locate the capacitor connection. If the capacitor is wired directly in series with a winding and connected directly to the AC input, then you almost certainly have a PSC motor.2.
Find the Correct Run Capacitor
You need a capacitor designed for continuous duty (a "run capacitor"). The fact that you had a 38uF capacitor is a great start. Run Capacitors have a range of operating tolerances. You have a 36-43 range which should be perfect. But you need to find one that is rated for continuous duty.3.
Voltage Rating
330VAC seems reasonable for most gate opener motors. Do NOT use a capacitor with a lower voltage rating than what was originally installed! Higher voltage is okay.4.
Physical Size
Try to find a capacitor that is physically similar in size to the original, so it fits within the motor housing or control box.5.
Buy a Run Capacitor
Purchase a run capacitor of similar capacitance (38uF or the equivalent) and the correct voltage rating. Run capacitors are available from most online suppliers, electronics supply houses, or stores that sell HVAC equipment or electric motors.6.
Install the Run Capacitor
Disconnect the power to the opener. Disconnect the old (failed) capacitor. Connect the new run capacitor in its place. Make sure the connections are secure.7.
Test the Opener
Restore power and test the gate opener. Monitor the capacitor after a few cycles to make sure it's not overheating. It will get warm, but it shouldn't be excessively hot to the touch.8.
If it still fails
if the gate still has trouble, then it's likely a bad motor. You can have the motor rebuilt at a motor shop. If you can locate the manufacturer of the motor, you can try to get a replacement from them directly.
Important Safety Notes
Disconnect Power
ALWAYS disconnect power to the gate opener before working on it.
Capacitor Discharge
Before touching any capacitor terminals, discharge the capacitor. You can do this carefully with a resistor. Wear gloves, and connect the resistor to the terminals of the disconnected capacitor for several seconds. Even if it's old, capacitors can hold a dangerous charge.
Proper Wiring
Ensure you reconnect the wires to the capacitor terminals correctly. Incorrect wiring could damage the motor or capacitor.*
If in Doubt, Consult a Professional
If you are uncomfortable working with electrical components, consult a qualified electrician or electric motor repair shop.
Finding a Run Capacitor:
Search online for "38uF 330VAC run capacitor". You should find several options.Good luck! Let me know how it goes. If you can post a picture of the motor's wiring, I might be able to give you more specific advice. Flag for review