User: Stevenfyeager, Location: United States, Indiana
Asked on: Monday, April 14, 2025 at 9:23 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, April 14, 2025 at 9:23 pm EDT
Question: According to on line calculator, #2 AL would be needed for 320' underground 20 amps, 120 volts. (4% drop) Does this sound right? I've read that some people have trouble with gfi outlets feeding a long run tripping. They advised installing the gfi outlet at the end instead of feeding from one. Is that true ? I would rather feed from one to allow me to trench more shallow. Thank you.
Okay, let's break down the electrical calculations and the GFCI issue.1. Wire Size Calculation
Yes, #2 AWG Aluminum for a 320-foot underground run at 20 amps and 120 volts with a 4% voltage drop sounds about right. Voltage drop is significant over long distances. Here's why: Voltage Drop Matters
A 4% voltage drop on 120V is 4.8 volts. This means you'd be getting approximately 115.2 volts at the end of the run. While your devices might still operate, they won't be running as efficiently, and some sensitive electronics might have issues. Exceeding the acceptable voltage drop can also damage motors over time.
Aluminum vs. Copper
Aluminum has a higher resistance than copper, so for the same amperage and voltage drop, you need a larger gauge of aluminum wire. This is why #2 AWG aluminum is needed, while a smaller gauge copper wire would suffice.
Online Calculators are Helpful
Online voltage drop calculators are excellent for getting a quick estimate, but they are only a tool. They depend on the numbers that you input and can't know the particulars of your situation.
Important Considerations for your calculation
Temperature
The temperature of the wire affects its resistance. Underground wire is generally more stable than in-air but may vary between summer and winter. If you can set the temp in the calculator, do so.
Load Type
Some calculators allow you to choose an inductive load (motor, etc.). Motors have an in-rush current that affects the voltage drop.
Continuous Load
20 amps 80% derate = 16 amps, is that still a good number?
Future Use
Consider whether you might need more power in the future. Over-sizing the wire now can save you trouble later.
Local Codes
Always, always consult with your local electrical codes and a qualified electrician. They will have the final say on what is safe and compliant in your area.
Calculator Accuracy
If you have concerns about the accuracy of one calculator, try a few different ones and compare the results.
2. GFCI Tripping Issues on Long Runs
The issue of GFCI outlets tripping on long runs is a real phenomenon, and here's why: Capacitance
Long wires, especially underground, act like capacitors. Capacitance is the ability to store an electrical charge.
Leakage Current
The capacitance between the hot (ungrounded) and neutral (grounded) conductors in the cable can cause a small leakage current to flow to ground.
GFCI Sensitivity
GFCIs are extremely sensitive. They are designed to trip if they detect a difference of as little as 5 milliamps (0.005 amps) between the current flowing in the hot and neutral wires.
Cumulative Effect
Over a long run, even a tiny amount of leakage current per foot of cable can add up. This cumulative leakage current might be enough to exceed the GFCI's trip threshold, causing it to trip even when there isn't a true ground fault.
GFCI Location: Beginning vs. End GFCI at the Beginning (Feeding the Run)
This is the most common and often the most convenient approach. However, it's also the most likely to cause nuisance tripping on long runs due to the cumulative leakage current described above.
GFCI at the End (Protecting the Receptacle/Device)
This is often the recommended solution for long underground runs to minimize nuisance tripping. By placing the GFCI at the end, you are only protecting the device or receptacle connected to it, and not the entire length of the cable. This reduces the cumulative leakage current that the GFCI "sees."
Trenching Depth and GFCI Location
You mentioned wanting to trench more shallowly if you feed the GFCI from the beginning. Trenching depth has nothing to do with GFCI location. It is determined by code, and must be followed regardless of GFCI choice or location. NEC Requirements
The National Electrical Code (NEC) specifies minimum burial depths for underground wiring. For example, direct-burial cable for 120V circuits might require 12 inches of cover in residential areas. If you are running in conduit, you may be able to get away with a shallower trench, but it depends on the conduit type and local codes.
Protection
The purpose of the burial depth is to protect the cable from physical damage (shovels, digging, etc.).
Solutions to Reduce Nuisance Tripping
If you really want to feed the long run from a GFCI breaker or outlet at the source, here are some strategies to try:1. Use a GFCI Breaker with a Higher Trip Threshold
Some GFCI breakers have a slightly higher trip threshold (e.g., 10mA instead of 5mA). These are sometimes called "Equipment Ground Fault Protection" (EGFP) breakers. However, check local codes to ensure that they are allowed in your specific application. Also, keep in mind that they offer slightly less sensitive protection.2.
High Quality Cable
Use high-quality underground cable with good insulation and shielding. This can minimize leakage current.3.
Separate Grounding Conductor
Make sure you have a dedicated grounding conductor that is properly connected at both ends.4.
Reduce the Run Length
If possible, try to shorten the overall run length to reduce capacitance.5.
Test Before Burying
Once you have the wiring run, test the GFCI before burying the cable. This will allow you to troubleshoot any tripping issues more easily.6.
Use a Line Reactor/Filter
In some cases, a line reactor or filter installed at the beginning of the run can help to reduce noise and leakage current. Consult with an electrical professional for recommendations.
Recommendation1. Consult with a Licensed Electrician
This is the most important step. They can assess your specific situation, local codes, and recommend the best solution.2.
Consider GFCI at the End
For long underground runs, placing the GFCI at the end is often the most reliable way to avoid nuisance tripping.3.
Adhere to Trenching Depth: Always follow local electrical codes regarding minimum burial depths for underground wiring.I hope this comprehensive explanation helps! Let me know if you have any other questions. Flag for review