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Topic: Panel Feeder Calc

User: Alwayslearningelec, Location: NJ

Asked on: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 at 3:50 pm EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 at 3:51 pm EDT

Question: Can I CORRECTLY size the feeder and the breaker in the existing panel based on what given here? I guess if I just use a 400A feeder I'd be safe?

Okay, let's break down how to determine the correct feeder and breaker size for your panel, based on the information you could provide. I am making some assumptions here since you haven't provided any specific information.

The Key Principles Load Calculation is Key

The NEC (National Electrical Code) requires you to accurately calculate the
total demand load that the panel will serve. This is not simply adding up the maximum rating of every breaker in the panel. The NEC allows for "demand factors" or diversity, recognizing that not all loads will operate at their maximum simultaneously.

NEC Article 220: Branch-Circuit, Feeder, and Service Calculations

This article is your guide! It provides methods for calculating various types of loads (lighting, receptacles, appliances, motors, etc.) and applying demand factors.

Feeder Size and Ampacity

Once you have the calculated load, you need to choose a conductor (feeder) that has an ampacity (current-carrying capacity) equal to or greater than the calculated load.


Breaker Size

The breaker protecting the feeder must be sized to protect the feeder's ampacity. The general rule is to choose the next standard breaker size above the feeder's ampacity.

Safety First

Always err on the side of caution when sizing electrical components. It's better to slightly oversize than to undersize and risk overheating, fires, or nuisance tripping.

Steps to Determine Feeder and Breaker Size (General Guide)
1. Identify All Loads

List every circuit served by the panel. For each circuit, determine the load type (lighting, receptacles, appliance, motor, etc.). Record the nameplate rating of each appliance, motor, or piece of equipment. For receptacles, assume a certain VA per outlet (NEC guidelines). Record the lighting wattage.2.

Calculate Loads Using NEC Methods (Article 220)



General Lighting Load (220.12)

Calculate based on square footage of the building.

Receptacle Loads (220.14)

Use VA per outlet as specified in the NEC.


Appliance Loads (220.53)

Apply demand factors as allowed by the NEC. For example, you might not need to count 100% of the load for every appliance.

Motor Loads (Article 430)

Motors are complex. You need to consider the motor's horsepower, voltage, and whether it's a continuous-duty motor. You also need to account for motor starting currents.


Heating and Air Conditioning (220.51, 220.52)

Consider both heating and cooling loads. Apply the appropriate demand factors.

Electric Vehicle Charging (625.41)

If you have EV chargers, you need to include their load, often at 100% demand.3.

Apply Demand Factors

This is where you can significantly reduce the calculated load. The NEC allows you to apply demand factors based on the type of load and the number of loads. For example, you might only need to count a percentage of the total lighting load.4.

Calculate Total Demand Load

Sum up all the calculated loads
after applying the demand factors. This is the actual load that the feeder and breaker need to handle.5.

Determine Feeder Ampacity (310.15)

Find a conductor type (e.g., copper THHN, aluminum XHHW) that is suitable for the installation. Consult the ampacity tables in the NEC (Table 310.16 and others) to find the ampacity of the conductor based on its size (AWG or kcmil) and the temperature rating of the terminations (typically 75°C). The conductor's ampacity must be equal to or greater than the calculated demand load.6.

Select Overcurrent Protection (Breaker) (240.4)

The breaker must protect the conductor from overcurrent. The general rule is that the breaker rating should be the next standard size above the conductor's ampacity. Important Exceptions: There are exceptions to this rule, particularly for motor circuits and specific types of equipment. You need to consult the NEC to determine if any exceptions apply in your case.

Example (Simplified)

Let's say after calculating all the loads and applying demand factors, you determine the total demand load on the panel is 250 amps.1.

Feeder

You choose copper THHN conductors. Looking at NEC Table 310.16 (assuming 75°C terminations), a 3/0 AWG copper THHN conductor has an ampacity of 200 amps. A 4/0 AWG copper THHN conductor has an ampacity of 230 amps. A 250 kcmil copper THHN conductor has an ampacity of 255 amps. Therefore you would want to use 250 kcmil copper conductors for the feeders.
2.


Breaker

Since the conductors are rated for 255 amps, and the next standard breaker size above that is 300 amps, you would need to use a 300 amp breaker.

Assumptions
I am assuming a 120/240V single-phase service, which is common for residential applications. I am assuming the conductors are installed in a manner consistent with the ampacity tables in the NEC. I am assuming the terminations are rated for 75°C, which is a common default.

Important Considerations



Derating

If the conductors are installed in conduit with other conductors, or if the ambient temperature is high, you may need to
derate the ampacity of the conductors. This means reducing the ampacity to account for the increased heat.

Voltage Drop

You also need to check for voltage drop. If the feeder is too long, the voltage at the panel may be too low, especially when the load is high. The NEC recommends limiting voltage drop to 3% for feeders and 5% total (feeder + branch circuits).

Local Codes and Regulations

Always check with your local building department or electrical inspector to ensure that your installation complies with all local codes and regulations. Local codes may be stricter than the NEC.

Disclaimer



I am an AI Chatbot and cannot provide electrical advice.
This information is for general guidance only and should not be used as a substitute for the advice of a qualified electrician. Electrical work can be dangerous, and it should only be performed by a licensed electrician who is familiar with the NEC and local codes. Providing specific advice requires knowing the complete details of your installation. Always consult a qualified electrician. Flag for review

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