User: AC\DC, Location: Florence,Oregon,Lane
Asked on: Thursday, April 17, 2025 at 11:36 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, April 17, 2025 at 11:36 am EDT
Question: What would you use for a wood mill, The currently all have ridged- couple EMT runs. My runs going to be completely out of the way for any damage. Was thinking to just use MC so it's cheaper but what would you do.Its just feeding wood shredder at 80 amps- 460volt- 3/0competing with another ec so trying to knock price down as much as possible. and piping will be a lot more.Or just pipe it so it looks better.
Okay, let's break down the best options for your wood shredder feed at 80 amps, 460 volts, using 3/0 conductors, while considering cost-effectiveness and appearance in a wood mill environment.
Key Considerations
Safety
Wood mills have a lot of dust and wood particles. While your runs are out of the way, you still need to consider potential for dust accumulation and the possibility of a stray ember/spark landing on the wiring.
Code Compliance
You must adhere to the NEC (National Electrical Code) and any local amendments.
Cost
This is a major driver, but don't sacrifice safety or long-term reliability for short-term savings.
Appearance
While you want to save money, consider the overall impression your work leaves. A clean, professional install can win you more jobs in the future.
Environmental Factors
Potential for humidity, temperature fluctuations, and vibration.
Mechanical Protection
Even if out of the way, there's still the possibility of things being moved or dropped.
Options Analysis
Rigid Metal Conduit (RMC)
Pros
Maximum Protection
Offers the best mechanical protection against physical damage, impact, and crushing.
Grounding
Excellent grounding path.
Longevity
Highly durable and resistant to corrosion (especially if galvanized).
Fire Resistance
Provides excellent fire protection.
Professional Appearance
When installed neatly, it looks very professional.
Cons
Highest Cost
RMC, fittings, and labor are the most expensive.
Difficult to Install
Requires specialized tools (threading, bending) and more labor.
Weight
Heavy, making it more difficult to handle and support.2.
Intermediate Metal Conduit (IMC)
Pros
Good Protection
Offers good mechanical protection, although not as robust as RMC.
Grounding
Good grounding path.
Cost
Less expensive than RMC.
Easier to Install
Lighter than RMC.
Professional Appearance
Can look good when installed neatly.
Cons
Cost
Still more expensive than MC Cable.
Installation
Requires threading and bending, although less demanding than RMC.3.
Metal-Clad Cable (MC Cable)
Pros
Lowest Cost
Generally the least expensive option for materials and labor.
Ease of Installation
Much easier to install than conduit systems; requires less skill and fewer specialized tools. Can be run directly.
Flexibility
Easier to navigate around obstacles.
Cons
Less Mechanical Protection
More susceptible to damage than conduit. A single, well-placed impact can compromise the cable.
Grounding
Requires proper termination to ensure a good grounding path.
Appearance
Can look less professional if not installed neatly. Requires proper support.
Potential Vulnerability
The outer metal jacket can be damaged over time.4.
Electrical Metallic Tubing (EMT)
Pros
Lower Cost than RMC/IMC
More affordable than rigid conduits.
Lightweight
Easy to handle and install.
Relatively Easy to Bend
Can be bent with appropriate tools for neat runs.
Cons
Less Protection than RMC/IMC
Offers less physical protection than rigid conduits. More susceptible to damage in an industrial environment.
Not Suitable for Severe Environments
Can be damaged by moisture and corrosion if not properly protected.
Couplings and Connectors
Rely on fittings for grounding, which need to be properly tightened.
Recommendation
Given your emphasis on cost savings and the fact that the runs are "completely out of the way,"
MC cable is likely the best compromise.
Here's why, and what to do to make it a good solution:1. Use 3/0 AWG MC Cable with Ground
This ensures you have the correct ampacity and a dedicated ground wire.2.
Secure Properly
Use appropriate MC cable staples or supports at intervals specified by the NEC (typically every 6 feet horizontally and 10 feet vertically, and within 12 inches of boxes/fittings). Make sure the supports don't damage the cable jacket.3.
Proper Terminations
Use approved MC cable connectors at boxes and equipment. Ensure the grounding is properly bonded. The connectors must be listed for the specific cable size.4.
Careful Routing
Even though it's out of the way, avoid sharp bends that could damage the conductors. Keep the cable runs neat and straight. Avoid areas where it might be accidentally stepped on or have materials placed on it.5.
Consider a Protective Sleeve in Critical Areas
If there are specific points where the cable could be subject to physical stress (e.g., near a doorway, or where it crosses a potential traffic area), consider sleeving it in a short length of PVC conduit or using a metal channel for added protection.6.
Inspect Regularly
After installation, schedule regular inspections (at least annually) to check for any damage to the MC cable.
How to Present This to the Client/Compete
Transparency
Be upfront about the cost savings with MC cable.
Highlight Safety
Emphasize that while MC is less robust than conduit, your installation will be done to the highest standards, minimizing risk by using proper support, terminations, and routing, and considering protective sleeving at vulnerable spots.
Emphasize Code Compliance
Reassure the client that all work will meet or exceed NEC requirements.
Offer Options
Present a "good, better, best" scenario.
Good
MC cable (your recommendation, with the above considerations).
Better
IMC Conduit (more protection, but higher cost).
Best
RMC Conduit (maximum protection, highest cost). Explain the advantages and disadvantages of each.
Professionalism
A clean, well-organized MC cable installation can still look professional. Show them examples of your previous work.
Important Note: Always consult with your local electrical inspector and follow their guidance. They have the final say on what is acceptable in your jurisdiction. They may have specific concerns about wood mill environments.By following these guidelines, you can offer a cost-effective and safe solution using MC cable while remaining competitive and maintaining a professional standard. Good luck! Flag for review