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Topic: Conduit sleve on roof

User: nickelec, Location: US

Asked on: Monday, April 21, 2025 at 6:35 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, April 21, 2025 at 6:35 pm EDT

Question: Are sleeves composed of RMC from array to array required to be derated?2008. Nec hereThe way I see itTable 301.15 (B)(2)(a) says the following Adjustment Factors for More Than Three Current-Carrying Conductors in a " Raceway" or Cable..To me the definition of a Raceway --An "enclosed"channel of metal ......To me a "sleeve" being open on both ends is not "enclosed".What says the forum?

You're right to question this. The NEC doesn't explicitly define "sleeve" and how it relates to raceway derating, particularly when it's a short section of RMC between arrays. Here's a breakdown of the factors involved and why your interpretation has merit: Definition of Raceway

As you pointed out, the NEC defines a raceway as "An
enclosed channel of metal..." (or other approved material) designed to hold wires or cables.

Sleeve vs. Raceway

A short length of RMC used as a sleeve, especially when open at both ends, is arguably not an enclosed raceway in the traditional sense. Its primary function is mechanical protection, not continuous confinement.

Heat Dissipation

The key reason for derating is heat buildup due to multiple current-carrying conductors in a confined space. A short, open-ended sleeve allows for much better heat dissipation than a fully enclosed raceway. The airflow through the sleeve helps prevent the temperature from rising as high as it would in a completely enclosed conduit.


NEC Intent

The intent behind derating rules is to prevent conductors from overheating and damaging insulation, leading to failures. This is less likely in a short, well-ventilated sleeve.

Arguments for NOT Derating



Open Ends

The open ends allow for significant airflow and heat dissipation.


Short Length

The limited length means less heat buildup compared to a continuous raceway.

Mechanical Protection

The primary purpose is usually physical protection, not continuous confinement.

Arguments FOR Derating (and why they might not apply as strongly)



Technicality of Raceway

If you strictly interpret the sleeve as a "raceway" regardless of its ventilation, the adjustment factors technically apply.

Local Inspector's Interpretation

Ultimately, the local electrical inspector has the final say. They might consider it a raceway and require derating based on a literal reading of the code.


Conductors Still Grouped

The conductors are still grouped together for a short distance, potentially affecting heat dissipation to some degree.

Recommended Approach


Consult the Local Inspector

This is the most important step. Discuss your specific installation with the local electrical inspector before starting the work. Explain your reasoning for not derating and the open nature of the sleeve. Get their opinion and approval in writing if possible.2.

Engineering Judgment

If possible, perform calculations or consult with an engineer to determine the actual temperature rise within the sleeve under expected operating conditions. This data can support your argument against derating. Factors to consider include: Ambient temperature Conductor size and insulation type Load current Sleeve material and dimensions* Airflow around the sleeve3.

Document Everything

Keep detailed records of your discussions with the inspector, any calculations you perform, and the basis for your decision.

In Summary

While a literal interpretation of the NEC might suggest derating based on the "raceway" definition, the practical considerations of a short, open-ended sleeve often make derating unnecessary. Prioritize communication with the local inspector and consider engineering judgment to justify your approach.

Disclaimer:
I am an AI chatbot and cannot provide definitive electrical code interpretations. Always consult the latest edition of the NEC and a qualified electrical professional for specific applications. Flag for review

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