User: AC\DC, Location: Florence,Oregon,Lane
Asked on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 9:52 pm EDT
Answered on: Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 9:52 pm EDT
Question: Looking to bid a 86 room hotel—- how would you bid them. I assume first 1-5 rooms are a learning curve then the rest is sped up- do you drop labor rates by a % past a certain amount of rooms—-I am ussaly in the middle on prices—- I don’t like playing that change order game so I don’t want to underbid it and hope there change orders—— any advise would be appreciated
Okay, bidding an 86-room hotel renovation is a sizable project. Here's a breakdown of how you can approach bidding it effectively, taking into account the learning curve, labor rates, and avoiding the change order trap.1. Understanding the Scope and Site Conditions (Critical First Step) Detailed Scope Document
Get a VERY clear and detailed scope of work document. What exactly needs to be done in each room? Is it a full gut and remodel, or just cosmetic upgrades? What is the material selections, are there any owner supplied items, how many different types of rooms are there( suites, ada, etc)
Site Visit (Multiple if Possible)
Walk every room type, if possible. Pay close attention to:
Access
How easy is it to get materials in and out? Are there elevators, stairs, long hallways? What are the hours of operation you can perform the work?
Condition
Are there any existing issues that aren't obvious in the drawings (mold, asbestos, water damage)? Document EVERYTHING with photos.
Existing Systems
Understand the existing electrical, plumbing, and HVAC systems. Are they up to code? Are there any known problems?
Staging Area
Where can you store materials and equipment? Is there a designated area?
Parking
Where will your crew park?
Waste Disposal
Where will you dispose of construction debris?
2. Breaking Down the Work (Per-Room and Common Areas) Per-Room Breakdown
Create a detailed breakdown of all the tasks required per room. This is your foundation. Examples: Demolition (remove wallpaper, fixtures, flooring) Electrical (new outlets, lighting, switches) Plumbing (new fixtures, toilet, showerhead) HVAC (cleaning, repairs, potentially new units) Drywall repair (patching, painting) Painting (walls, trim) Flooring (installation, new baseboards) Furniture Installation Final Cleaning
Common Area Breakdown
Don't forget common areas! (Lobby, hallways, restrooms, breakfast area, fitness center, pool area). Break these down similarly to the rooms, by task.
3. Estimating Labor Hours (The Learning Curve Factor) Initial Rooms (Learning Curve)
Allocate more labor hours for the first 5-10 rooms. This accounts for:
Familiarization
Workers getting used to the specific layout, materials, and procedures.
Problem Solving
Unforeseen issues and figuring out the best solutions.
Adjustments
Refining processes for efficiency.
Example
If you estimate painting a room takes 8 hours after the learning curve, estimate 10-12 hours for the first few.
Efficiency Rooms (After Learning Curve)
Once your crew is in a rhythm, reduce the labor hours per room. Base this on your experience and the complexity of the work.
Data Tracking
Track actual hours spent on the initial rooms. This will give you a much more accurate basis for adjusting your estimates for the remaining rooms.
Labor Rate Considerations
Don't automatically drop labor rates drastically. Instead, increase efficiency by reducing the number of hours per room. Your labor rate (hourly wage + burden) remains constant. You might consider a slight efficiency bonus for your crew if they consistently exceed your efficiency goals (this can be a motivator). But don't build this into the initial bid.4. Material Costs Get Quotes
Obtain firm quotes from suppliers for all materials. Factor in delivery costs and potential price fluctuations (especially if the project is lengthy).
Waste Factor
Add a reasonable waste factor to your material quantities (e.g., 5-10% for flooring, paint, drywall).
Storage
Factor in any costs associated with storing materials on-site or off-site.
5. Subcontractors (If Applicable) Scope of Work
Provide subcontractors with a clear and detailed scope of work.
Competitive Bids
Get multiple bids from qualified subcontractors.
Coordination
Factor in the time required to coordinate subcontractors (scheduling, communication).
6. Overhead and Profit Overhead
Calculate your company's overhead costs (office rent, insurance, salaries, etc.) and allocate a portion of these costs to the project.
Profit
Determine your desired profit margin. This should be a realistic amount based on the risk involved and the competitiveness of the market. Don't cut your profit too thin!
7. Contingency Build in a Contingency
This is CRUCIAL. Set aside a percentage of the total cost (typically 5-10%) to cover unforeseen expenses. Hotel renovations almost always have surprises.
Examples of Contingency Items
Unexpected damage to existing structures. Hidden mold or asbestos abatement. Code compliance issues. Material price increases.
8. The Bid Form and Proposal Detailed Bid Form
Your bid form should include: Clear identification of the project and scope of work. A breakdown of costs (labor, materials, subcontractors, overhead, profit, contingency). A payment schedule. A timeline for completion. Exclusions (what is NOT included in the bid). Clarifications and assumptions. A signature and date.
Professional Proposal
Present your bid in a professional and well-organized proposal. This demonstrates your expertise and attention to detail.
9. Addressing the "Change Order Trap" Be Thorough Upfront
The best way to avoid change orders is to be as thorough as possible during the initial site visit and estimate.
Clear Communication
Maintain open and clear communication with the client throughout the project. Address any potential issues immediately.
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of all communication, decisions, and changes.
Change Order Process
Have a clear and documented change order process. Get all change orders in writing and approved before starting the work.
Specific Advice for Your Situation Middle of the Road Pricing
Being in the middle is usually a good place to be. It shows you are competitive but not cutting corners.
Consider Phasing
Could the project be phased? If so, bid out the first phase and then refine your pricing for the remaining phases based on the actual results.
References
Highlight your experience with similar hotel renovations.
Value Engineering
If you see opportunities to save the client money without compromising quality, offer value engineering suggestions.
Transparency
Be open and honest about your pricing. Explain how you arrived at your numbers.
Key Takeaways Detail is King
The more detailed your estimate, the more accurate it will be.
Account for the Learning Curve
Don't underestimate the time it takes to get the crew up to speed.
Contingency is Essential
Always build in a contingency to cover unforeseen expenses.
Communication is Key
Maintain open communication with the client throughout the project.*
Don't Sacrifice Profit: Make sure your profit margin is adequate to cover your costs and provide a return on your investment.By following these steps, you can create a competitive and profitable bid for the 86-room hotel renovation while minimizing the risk of change orders and maximizing your chances of success. Good luck! Flag for review