User: Saturn_Europa, Location: Fishing Industry
Asked on: Saturday, May 3, 2025 at 10:19 am EDT
Answered on: Saturday, May 3, 2025 at 10:27 am EDT
Question: I wired in a drum motor in the factory I work at. The wiring diagram was on the cover plate for the motor termination box. I followed the wiring diagram for high voltage exactly:The motor turned at a very low RPM, did not turn smoothly and overloaded the VFD in less than a minute.There is a different belt conveyor right next to the one I am working on with the same model drum motor. It is wired according to the following high voltage wiring diagram and works:After contacting the service rep, I tried the wiring the NEW non working motor like the one that is working. The motor did not turn at all.Behind the termination plate you can see the 6 wires coming from the stator:U1 - Yellow wireV1 - Red wireW1 - Blue wireW2 - Black wireU2- Gray wireV2 - Brown wireLooks like a pretty standard 6 lead European style motor.The service rep was expecting a 9 lead motor. Currently we are shipping it back to the manufacture.Any guesses on the proper way to wire this thing up?I originally thought that it had the US style stator, the wrong wiring diagram, and it smoked when it was wired for the high voltage Y. But apparently the US stators are 9 leads and this one has 6.The only 6 lead European motors I have wired are the SEW Eurodrive. They have the same color wires but the wires land on different terminals.Is there a standard wiring method for 6 lead european motors based wire color? I looked in Ugly's. It only has 9 lead and 12 lead motors.PS: I checked the drive, control wiring and power circuit by installing a different drum motor and it worked. All test runs were conducted with no belt on the drum.
This is a tricky one, and it's good you're being methodical in your troubleshooting. Given the symptoms and what you've tried, here's a breakdown of possible issues and what you might have considered (or could consider in the future if you encounter something similar)
Diagnosis & Considerations
1. Incorrect Internal Motor Configuration (MOST LIKELY)
The most probable explanation is that the internal configuration of the motor is not what the diagrams on the cover plate assume. Even if it's a standard 6-lead motor externally, the way the windings are connected internally at the factory could be different. This would explain why neither diagram worked. European motors often have 6 leads but can be wired as different pole arrangements.2.
Phase Sequence
While you tried two different wiring diagrams, it's less likely, but possible that the phase sequence of your power supply doesn't match the motor's intended direction. In that case, if you are using a VFD, switching any two output leads on the VFD can change the direction of rotation.3.
Motor Damage
It's possible the initial miswiring damaged the motor windings slightly, even if not visibly. This could result in the low RPM, rough running, and overload issues. You mentioned it overloads. That suggests excessive current draw, pointing to a winding problem.4.
VFD Settings
Ensure the VFD settings are appropriate for the motor. You mentioned it works with other motors, but double-check things like:
Motor Voltage
Is the VFD configured for the correct motor voltage?
Motor Current
Is the VFD configured for the motor's nameplate current?
Motor Frequency
(Usually 50Hz or 60Hz, depending on your location)
Motor Poles
Is the VFD configured with the correct number of poles? The number of poles can vary depending on the motor manufacturer. If you can't find the number of poles, you can figure it out by measuring the output frequency and RPM with a strobe tachometer.5.
Mechanical Binding
You checked without a belt, which is good. But double-check there's absolutely no mechanical obstruction inside the drum motor itself.6.
Wire Color Standards
While there are generally accepted color codes (like the ones you described), they are not absolute guarantees. Different manufacturers (especially across different regions) might deviate. Never rely solely on wire color.
Troubleshooting Steps (Considerations for Future Similar Problems)1. Complete Motor Nameplate Information
Document EVERYTHING from the motor's nameplate. This includes: Voltage rating (high/low) Current rating (high/low) Frequency RPM Number of poles (if listed) Motor type (e.g., induction motor) Manufacturing date (this can sometimes indicate design revisions) Manufacturer (obviously) and model numberThe model number is key to researching the motor and finding accurate diagrams.2.
Resistance Measurements (Ohmmeter)
This is crucial before applying power to any motor you suspect might be miswired. Measure the resistance between all possible pairs of the six leads: U1-V1, U1-W1, U1-W2, U1-U2, U1-V2 V1-W1, V1-W2, V1-U2, V1-V2 W1-W2, W1-U2, W1-V2 W2-U2, W2-V2 U2-V2The resistance values will give you clues about which windings are connected to each other internally. For example, if U1-U2 has a very low resistance, it suggests they are part of the same winding. Compare these values to what you'd expect based on a "typical" 6-lead motor configuration.. If there are any shorts to ground that will also appear on the ohm meter.3.
Megger Test (Insulation Resistance)
Use a megohmmeter (Megger) to test the insulation resistance between each winding and ground (the motor frame). A low reading indicates insulation breakdown, which could be contributing to the overload.4.
Detailed Photos
Take very clear, close-up photos of everything before you change anything. This includes the wiring, the terminal box, the nameplate, and anything else relevant.
Why the Service Rep Expected 9 Leads
The service rep's expectation of a 9-lead motor is important. 9-lead motors are designed to be wired as either dual-voltage Y or dual-voltage Delta, depending on the application. The fact that they expected it suggests there may have been a mix-up during the purchase process and the wrong motor got shipped.
Next Steps (Now that it's being returned)1. Insist on a Thorough Inspection
Make sure the manufacturer provides a detailed report of what they find inside the motor. Ask them to verify the internal wiring configuration and to explain why the diagrams on the cover plate were incorrect (if that's the case).2.
Verify the Replacement
When you receive the replacement motor, immediately verify that it matches the nameplate specifications and that it's indeed the correct model. Do the resistance measurements described above before attempting to wire it up.3.
Get a Correct Wiring Diagram: If the manufacturer admits there was a documentation error, demand a correct wiring diagram specific* to that motor's serial number (if possible).In summary, the problem is most likely an internal configuration issue or a motor winding problem. The systematic troubleshooting steps outlined above (especially the resistance measurements) can help you diagnose similar issues in the future. Good luck! Flag for review