User: ListoTech, Location: Fairfield, Ohio
Asked on: Thursday, May 15, 2025 at 11:52 am EDT
Answered on: Thursday, May 15, 2025 at 12:06 pm EDT
Question: Hello All,Long time reader, first time poster. I want to start off by saying 'thank you' to everyone who contributes to this page. I have worked as an electrical engineer for 12 years and have often benefitted from the advice given here at MikeHolt.comThat being said, I have recently started my own LLC (ListoTech Solutions) in Ohio, with the intention of offering electrical engineering and technical services similar to what I have done the past 12 years as a W2 employee (mostly in the industrial material handling field). My experience consists of project management, electrical design and schematic creation for automated conveyor systems utilizing 24VDC/120VAC/480VAC power, as well as panel design and panel building. I also have experience on the install side with installing these systems and commissioning/troubleshooting. I plan to focus my services on the design of automated systems and the install/setup and troubleshooting of these types of systems. I have my LLC set up as well as carry General Liability Insurance. I have a bachelor's in Electrical Engineering. I am also pretty familiar with the NEC and some UL listing as well. Some work will be performed outside of Ohio in other states.My questions are the following:- What licenses or certifications, etc. should I be trying to obtain to perform this sort of work in industrial settings? Up to this point I have worked as a W2 employee for a conveyor company and have never been required to get any special licenses besides my bachelors' degree in electrical engineering.-What types of insurance should I be looking to have? I currently have just General Liability for electrical work, but will need to add E&O (Erros and Emissions) pretty soon.Any advice is appreciated! I want to do my best to follow all legal guidelines to protect myself and the customer.Thanks,Sam
Okay, Sam, congratulations on starting ListoTech Solutions! It's a big step, and it sounds like you have a solid foundation of experience. Let's break down the licensing and insurance aspects of your new venture.
Licensing and Certifications
This is the trickiest part, as requirements vary significantly by state. Here's a breakdown of considerations: Professional Engineering (PE) License
The Big One
This is often the most crucial license, especially if you're signing off on designs that are submitted to permitting authorities or will directly impact public safety. In most states, including Ohio, you need a PE license to legally offer engineering services to the public, including offering engineering services.
"Offering Engineering Services" Triggers Requirements
Simply offering to perform engineering work often necessitates a PE license. In many jurisdictions, even using the title "engineer" in your company name can trigger requirements.
Ohio Specifics
Check the Ohio State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Surveyors (Ohio PE Board) website for the most up-to-date rules and regulations. They can clarify when a PE license is absolutely required. Look for their definition of "engineering services."
Reciprocity
If you plan to work in multiple states, investigate reciprocity agreements. Having a PE license in Ohio can simplify getting licensed in other states.
Industrial Exemption (Caveat)
Some states may have exemptions for engineers working solely on internal company projects within a specific industrial setting. However, since you're offering your services to other companies, this exemption likely doesn't apply to your situation.
Ohio Administrative Code Section 4733-35-02 states, "In the state of Ohio, all professional engineering work, except for the exemptions listed under section 4733.17 of the Revised Code, must be under the direction and supervision of a professional engineer." Practical Advice
Contact the Ohio PE Board directly and describe the specific type of work you intend to perform. They can give you a definitive answer on whether a PE license is necessary. If in doubt, pursue the PE license. It's a significant investment, but it can be crucial for your business.
Electrical Contractor's License
Installation and Commissioning
Your experience with installing and commissioning systems may require an electrical contractor's license, especially if you are physically performing electrical work or overseeing the electrical installation.
State and Local Variations
These licenses are typically handled at the state or even local (city/county) level. Check with the relevant authorities in each location where you'll be working.
"Responsible Master Electrician"
Many jurisdictions require an electrical contractor to employ a "Responsible Master Electrician" who holds a master electrician's license. You might need to pursue this path if you intend to handle the installation aspect directly.
Subcontracting
If you primarily design and troubleshoot and then subcontract the physical electrical installation to licensed electrical contractors, you might not need this license (check local laws).
Other Certifications
OSHA Safety Training
OSHA 10 or 30-hour construction safety training is highly recommended and may be required by some clients, especially on construction sites.
Specific Equipment Certifications
Depending on the equipment you work with (e.g., PLCs, VFDs, robotics), manufacturer-specific certifications can enhance your credibility and skills. Look into certifications offered by companies like Siemens, Allen-Bradley (Rockwell Automation), etc.
NFPA 70E Training
Training in electrical safety in the workplace (NFPA 70E) is essential for anyone working with or around electrical equipment.
Certified Automation Professional (CAP)
The International Society of Automation (ISA) offers the CAP certification, which can demonstrate your expertise in automation systems.
UL Certifications
Understanding UL standards is important, but you typically don't need a personal UL certification. It's more about ensuring your designs meet UL requirements.
Insurance General Liability Insurance
You already have this, which is good. It covers bodily injury or property damage caused by your work. Ensure your policy limits are adequate for the type of projects you're undertaking.
Errors and Omissions (E&O) Insurance (Professional Liability Insurance)
This is crucial for engineers. It protects you if your designs or advice cause financial loss to your client due to errors, omissions, or negligence.
Specific Coverage
Ensure the policy covers the specific types of engineering work you're performing (e.g., electrical design, automation system design).
Policy Limits
Carefully consider the appropriate policy limits based on the size and complexity of your projects.
Workers' Compensation Insurance
Required if you have employees. Even if you're the sole employee, check state regulations, as some states may require it even for a single-member LLC.
Commercial Auto Insurance
If you use your vehicle for business purposes (e.g., traveling to job sites, transporting equipment), you need commercial auto insurance. Your personal auto policy likely won't cover business-related accidents.
Cyber Liability Insurance
Consider this if you handle sensitive client data or use computer systems that could be vulnerable to cyberattacks.
Key Takeaways and Action Items1. Contact the Ohio PE Board
Get a definitive answer on whether your planned work requires a PE license. This is the most critical step.2.
Investigate Electrical Contractor Licensing
Determine if you need an electrical contractor's license in Ohio and other states where you plan to work.3.
Obtain E&O Insurance
Get quotes from several insurance providers and carefully review the policy terms and coverage.4.
Consider Additional Certifications
Evaluate the value of certifications like CAP or manufacturer-specific training based on your target market.5.
Review State and Local Regulations
For each state and locality where you plan to work, research their specific licensing and permitting requirements.6.
Consult with an Attorney: An attorney specializing in business law and professional licensing can provide valuable guidance and ensure you're fully compliant.Starting your own business is exciting, but it requires due diligence. By addressing these licensing and insurance matters proactively, you can build a solid foundation for ListoTech Solutions and protect yourself and your clients. Good luck! Flag for review