User: jjwitty, Location: Indianapolis
Asked on: Sunday, May 18, 2025 at 2:18 am EDT
Answered on: Sunday, May 18, 2025 at 2:19 am EDT
Question: Preface: I’m an automation professional by training (degree), but I’ve been unofficially designated as the plant “specialist.” That role puts me in charge of all things electrical—which inevitably includes about 150 motors.Last year, I requested a megger, but Megger Inc. quoted me $18,000 for a ≤600-volt device. My director scoffed at the price but approved a Fluke 757 instead. It’s not a real megger, though some people seem comfortable calling it one. Personally, I refer to it as an insulation tester. I assume those who casually use “megger” have never actually seen a real megger quote—but I digress.Since getting the 757, I’ve yet to find a single bad motor, even though maintenance keeps pulling “bad” ones off the floor. I don’t want to be that guy who tells them they don’t know what they’re talking about and then points at the 757 results—but the truth is, I have no real baseline for what a “bad” motor even looks like on this tester.Typically, the motors they claim are “shorted” are ones where someone didn’t secure the wiring properly, and a wire nut fell off and grounded out. Sparks and molten insulation are enough for them to assume it’s toast. But when I test it with the 757, it reads fine. Just to be sure I always do a basic ohms test phase to phase also. So, instead of scrapping them, I clean up the wiring and put the motors back on the shelf.Now, I’m here to make sure I’m testing these motors correctly. All of them are 480V. The Fluke 757 came with three leads—two standard ones, and a third with the test button for resistance testing. I connect that to the designated spot, move the black lead under the insulation tester port, set the voltage to 1000V, and test between phases. Every time, I get a reading of exactly 2 MΩ. I also test to casing.Here’s the weird part: if I press the test button without the leads connected to anything, I still get the same result—2 MΩ. The Fluke instructions are horrible, and their YouTube videos somehow manage to be worse.So—can anyone confirm if I’m doing this right? If possible point me to a useful training video or material?
Okay, let's break down what's happening and address your concerns. You're right to be skeptical and thorough. Here's a comprehensive look at your situation, testing procedures, and how to move forward
Your Concerns are Valid:
The Fluke 757 vs. a "Real" Megger
You're correct to differentiate. While the 757 is an insulation resistance tester and can provide valuable information, it has limitations compared to a high-end megohmmeter, especially when it comes to higher voltage testing, polarization index (PI), and dielectric absorption ratio (DAR) measurements. These advanced features are crucial for a thorough motor insulation assessment.
Lack of Baseline & Confidence
The biggest problem is the lack of a baseline and the uncertainty in interpreting the readings. You need a system to determine what constitutes a "good" vs. "bad" motor.
The Constant 2 MΩ Reading
This is a major red flag. It indicates something is wrong with your test setup, the instrument itself, or your understanding of how to use it.
Analyzing Your Current Procedure
Voltage Setting (1000V)
This is likely too high for 480V motors. While the 757 can go that high, you generally want to use a voltage that's roughly twice the motor's rated voltage + 1000V (per IEEE standards) unless the motor manufacturer specifies something different. So, for a 480V motor,
a 500V test voltage is generally recommended. Exceeding the recommended test voltage doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll damage the insulation, but it can accelerate degradation. Lead Connections
This sounds correct based on your description, but double-check your Fluke 757 manual to be absolutely certain. Pay close attention to where the "test" lead (with the button) should be connected. Incorrect lead placement will absolutely skew the readings.
Testing Between Phases and to Casing
This is the correct procedure for insulation resistance testing. You need to test all phase-to-phase combinations (A-B, B-C, C-A) and each phase to ground (A-Ground, B-Ground, C-Ground).
The 2 MΩ Reading with No Leads Connected
This is the most concerning point. This should not happen. It suggests:
A Faulty Meter
The 757 itself might be malfunctioning. This is the first thing to investigate.
Incorrect Settings
Double-check that you have the meter set to Insulation Resistance (Megohm) mode, not some other resistance or continuity test.
Lead Issues
Although less likely, test the leads for continuity and isolation from each other. A shorted lead could cause this behavior.
Steps to Rectify and Improve Your Testing
Verify Meter Functionality
Use a Known Resistor
Ideally, get a high-value, precision resistor (e.g., 1 MΩ or 10 MΩ, rated for the test voltage). Connect it to the 757 and see if you get an accurate reading. This will help determine if the meter is actually functioning correctly.
Check the Manual Again (Carefully)
Read the Fluke 757 manual very carefully, paying close attention to the test setup instructions, voltage ranges, and troubleshooting sections. Pay attention to the setup for insulation resistance testing.
Contact Fluke Support
Fluke has technical support. Contact them and explain the issue of getting a 2 MΩ reading with no leads connected. They can offer specific troubleshooting advice for your meter model.2.
Establish a Correct Testing Procedure
Voltage Selection
Use 500V for your 480V motors unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise.
Complete Testing
Test all phases to each other (A-B, B-C, C-A) and all phases to ground (A-Ground, B-Ground, C-Ground). Record each reading.
Test Time
Apply the test voltage for a minimum of 60 seconds per test. Insulation resistance readings tend to increase over time as the insulation becomes polarized.3.
Understanding and Interpreting Results (Establish a Baseline)
IEEE Standards
IEEE Standard 43-2000 (Recommended Practice for Testing Insulation Resistance of Rotating Machinery) is the gold standard for motor insulation testing. You should get a copy or access to this standard. It provides guidance on acceptable insulation resistance values based on motor voltage and other factors.
Temperature Correction
Insulation resistance is very temperature-dependent. Colder motors will have higher resistance readings. IEEE 43 provides correction factors to adjust readings to a standard temperature (usually 40°C). You must record the motor temperature at the time of testing.
Minimum Acceptable Values
IEEE 43 provides formulas and tables to determine minimum acceptable insulation resistance values. A simplified rule of thumb is:
1 MΩ + (kV x motor HP) = minimum acceptable resistance to ground. This is a very general guideline. Trending Data
The most valuable information comes from trending insulation resistance readings over time. Test your motors periodically (e.g., every 6 months or annually) and record the results. A sudden drop in insulation resistance is a sign of insulation degradation.4.
Consider Polarization Index (PI) and Dielectric Absorption Ratio (DAR)
These are more advanced tests that require taking readings at multiple time intervals (e.g., 30 seconds and 10 minutes for PI). PI and DAR are more sensitive indicators of insulation health than a simple spot reading.
Limitation with the Fluke 757
The Fluke 757 may not have the ability to easily perform PI and DAR tests. You may need to manually record the readings at different times. If PI and DAR are important, consider a meter that can automate these tests.5.
Educate Maintenance
Share Your Findings
Once you have a better understanding of the testing process and how to interpret the results, share your findings with the maintenance team. Explain the importance of proper wiring and the difference between a wiring fault and a true insulation failure.
Establish Clear Criteria
Work with maintenance to establish clear criteria for when a motor should be pulled from service. Base these criteria on insulation resistance readings, trending data, and visual inspection.
Training Resources
IEEE
IEEE offers training courses and webinars on motor insulation testing.
Megger (Ironically)
Even though you didn't buy their megger, Megger has excellent application notes and webinars on insulation testing principles.
YouTube
Search for "motor insulation testing," "megohmmeter," and "IEEE 43." Look for videos from reputable sources like Fluke, Megger, or electrical training companies. But be critical of the information – make sure it aligns with industry best practices.
In Summary: Address the 2 MΩ reading issue immediately. It indicates a problem with the meter or your setup. Refine your testing procedure, paying attention to voltage selection, test duration, and temperature correction. Focus on establishing a baseline and trending data over time. Consider the limitations of the Fluke 757 and whether you need a more advanced megohmmeter for PI and DAR testing. Educate maintenance on proper wiring practices and the criteria for identifying a "bad" motor.By following these steps, you'll be able to confidently assess the condition of your motors and make informed decisions about their maintenance. Good luck! Flag for review