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Topic: Voltage issues

User: nickelec, Location: US

Asked on: Monday, May 19, 2025 at 5:08 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, May 19, 2025 at 5:08 pm EDT

Question: Just looked at something today. Very preliminary so farInside this pump house they have three pumps being fed from DB panel 277/480.Every time more then one pump kicks on the voltage drops down to about 300. On one phase.Going to send some guys to trouble shoot. But what are the possibilities of an under ground 4.1kv feeder being compromised?I've attached a one line for reference.

Okay, this is a tricky situation, and troubleshooting voltage drops can be complex. Let's break down the possibilities and focus on how a compromised 4.1kV feeder might be involved, while also considering other common causes.

Understanding the Problem



Significant Voltage Drop

A drop from 480V to 300V on one phase when multiple pumps start is a
massive drop. This indicates a serious issue, not just a minor voltage dip you might expect from motor starting. It also only happens on one phase.

Multiple Pumps

The fact that it only happens when more than one pump starts points toward an issue with shared infrastructure, which could be the feeder, the transformer, the panel, or the wiring leading to the pumps.

Possible Causes (Prioritized)


Neutral/Grounding Issues


Highly Likely.
This is probably the most common culprit in these types of scenarios, especially with large motor loads. A loose, corroded, or broken neutral conductor (or connection) will cause voltage imbalance and significant voltage drops on one or more phases when the load is unbalanced (which it will be when motors start). Where to Check



From the DB panel to the transformer neutral.
At the transformer neutral point. Grounding electrode conductor connection to the grounding system. At the main service entrance neutral. Check the integrity of the grounding system itself. Is the ground grid intact? Are all connections tight? Testing

Use a low-resistance ohmmeter to verify the integrity of the neutral and ground paths. You should see very low resistance (ideally near zero) between the neutral bar, ground bar, the transformer neutral, and the service entrance neutral.2.

Overloaded Transformer



Signs

The transformer might be running very hot. You'll need to check its nameplate KVA rating against the actual connected load, including the pumps and any other loads. If it's consistently overloaded, the voltage will sag under load.

Calculation

Add up the nameplate KVA of all equipment fed by the transformer. Don't forget to factor in motor starting currents. Compare this to the transformer's KVA rating. If the calculated load exceeds the transformer rating, it's a problem.


Consider Inrush Current

Motor starting inrush current can be 5-7 times the full load current. This puts a huge strain on the transformer.3.

Undersized or Long Feeders (Less Likely if it was working properly before)

If the 480V feeder from the transformer to the pump house panel is too small for the load and distance, it can cause voltage drops. Voltage drop increases with the length of the feeder and the amount of current flowing through it.

Check

Verify the conductor size of the 480V feeder against the calculated load and the distance to the pump house. Use a voltage drop calculator to determine if the conductor size is adequate. A typical acceptable voltage drop is around 3%.4.

Loose Connections

Loose connections create resistance, which leads to voltage drops and heat. This can occur at any point in the system, from the transformer to the pump terminals.

Where to Check



Transformer terminals (primary and secondary).
Main disconnect. DB panel connections. Pump motor starter terminals. Splices or junction boxes along the feeder. Inspection

Look for signs of overheating (discoloration, melting insulation). Use a thermal camera to scan for hot spots when the pumps are running. Torque all connections to the manufacturer's specifications.5.

Faulty Transformer Taps

Some transformers have adjustable taps to compensate for voltage variations. If the taps are set incorrectly, or if there's a problem with the tap changer mechanism, it could cause voltage problems.6.

Pump Motor Issues

A failing motor can draw excessive current, contributing to voltage drops. However, this is less likely to cause a consistent drop to 300V on one phase.

Testing

Check the motor winding insulation resistance (megger test). Measure the motor current on each phase while running.7.

The 4.1kV Underground Feeder Being Compromised (MOST COMPLEX - Possible, but Lower Priority)

This is the most difficult to diagnose and may require specialized testing. It should be investigated after ruling out the easier-to-check possibilities.

Possibilities



Damaged Cable Insulation

Water ingress or physical damage to the cable can degrade the insulation, leading to leakage current and voltage drop. The leakage could be phase-to-ground or phase-to-phase.


Partial Break in a Conductor

A strand or two breaking in one phase of the cable. It wouldn't be a complete failure, but would add resistance.

Compromised Splice

If the underground cable has splices, a faulty splice can cause similar issues.


Testing



Insulation Resistance Test (Megger Test)

This is a critical test. Disconnect the 4.1kV cable from both ends and use a high-voltage megger to measure the insulation resistance between each phase and ground, and between phases. Low insulation resistance indicates a compromised cable.


Very Low Frequency (VLF) AC Hipot Test

This test applies a higher-than-normal AC voltage to the cable to stress the insulation and identify weaknesses. This should only be performed by qualified personnel.



Time Domain Reflectometry (TDR)

TDR sends a pulse down the cable and analyzes the reflections to identify faults, breaks, or other anomalies.


Duct Bank Inspection (if applicable)

If the cable runs through a duct bank, inspect the manholes for signs of water ingress or damage.

Caveats

Testing 4.1kV cable requires specialized equipment and trained personnel. Isolating the cable for testing can be disruptive.

Troubleshooting Steps


Start with the Easiest Checks

Visually inspect all connections for looseness or corrosion. Check the transformer nameplate and compare it to the connected load. Measure voltage at the transformer secondary terminals, the DB panel, and at the pump motor terminals (under load). Record all readings. Measure current on each phase at the transformer secondary and at each pump motor (under load). Record all readings.2.

Neutral/Grounding Investigation



This should be your FIRST priority. Thoroughly inspect and test the neutral and grounding connections as described above.3.

Transformer Load Analysis

Calculate the total load on the transformer, including motor starting currents. Compare the calculated load to the transformer's KVA rating.4.

Voltage Drop Calculation

Verify the conductor size of the 480V feeder. Calculate the expected voltage drop using a voltage drop calculator.5.

Investigate the 4.1kV Feeder (if other checks are negative)

Consult with a qualified high-voltage electrician or testing company. Perform insulation resistance tests. Consider VLF hipot testing (with caution). Use TDR to identify faults.6.

Document Everything

Keep detailed records of all measurements, inspections, and tests. This will help you track down the problem and avoid unnecessary work.

Safety Precautions



Work de-energized whenever possible.

Use proper PPE (personal protective equipment).


Follow all Lockout/Tagout procedures.

If you are not qualified to work on electrical equipment, call a licensed electrician.


High-voltage testing is dangerous and should only be performed by trained personnel.Let me know if you have more specific information or questions as you begin troubleshooting! Good luck. Flag for review

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