User: Ricko1980, Location: San Francisco
Asked on: Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:41 pm EDT
Answered on: Monday, May 19, 2025 at 6:41 pm EDT
Question: Hi Folks,We're in California, and I'm not sure how this works in other states. I'd particularly welcome advise from contractors in California.We have trainees with "Electrician Trainee" cards, which in my opinion are a bit of a scam. You need them in order to work as a trainee for an electrical contractor here. This is since about 20 years ago. Before that it was permissible for contractors to have trainees without any official documentation, accruing experience hours and eventually getting licensed (but not needing to be an official "trainee" on some state list).Anyone can get an "ET" card, you just have to enroll in some $350 online course four times a year, and keep enrolling until you are eligible to get the electrician license and pass the exam. The courses don't seem very valuable.Contractors aren't allowed to employ people who don't have the "ET" card for anything that could come off as "making electrical connections." This is a bit of a gray area, and all of the smaller contractors I know around here have a mix of people with "ET" cards or without them. (Do the people doing supply runs need them? Do the people sweeping up? What about the people bending conduit or helping pull wire?)I have an employee who is licensed in a foreign country, wants to validate his experience here in California. He says that he's been told to provide a letter from his current employer... but he doesn't have the ET card. I want to help this employee out, and rely on him continuing to work for me so want to be tactful, but I'm really reluctant to sign anything. I should have insisted he get an ET card already, and have tried to help him get one, but he only speaks Spanish so the options for online courses are limited. Since hiring this guy 2 years ago, I've been much more diligent about making sure that any and all trainees have the ET card and sign an agreement to maintain it in good standing.My employee found a PDF (I can't find the source) with a sample letter for me to write to the Department of Industrial Relations, as well as a paragraph saying:"Does this create any legal liability for the employer?No. The DIR does not require the employer to legally certify the worker, nor does it hold the employer liable. The DIR only asks for an honest and verifiable letter confirming factual work experience.The letter will not be made public, it is not used for any legal proceedings, and it carries no legal risk or obligation to the signer as long as it is based on truthful information."Anyone have experience in this area and have any story to report about how the Department of Industrial Relations responded?
Okay, this is a common situation in California, and your concerns are valid. Let's break down the issues and potential approaches.
Understanding the California Electrician Trainee (ET) Program
What you described is accurate. The ET program in California is designed to ensure that individuals working in the electrical trade under supervision are tracked and are actively pursuing education. The intent is good, but as you point out, the execution can be problematic and feel like a hurdle rather than a true qualification. "Making Electrical Connections" is the Key Trigger
You're correct that this is the sticking point. If someone is genuinely just hauling materials or cleaning, they don't need the ET card. However, any work that could be construed as making electrical connections, installing electrical equipment, or working on electrical systems, falls under the requirement.
Enforcement is Variable
Enforcement of the ET card requirement can vary depending on the size of the project, the scrutiny of the inspector, and whether any complaints have been filed. Some areas are stricter than others. Small contractors do often operate with a mix of ET and non-ET personnel, hoping to avoid issues.
Your Specific Situation
Employee Licensed in a Foreign Country
This is crucial. His goal is to get his experience recognized here. The California State Contractors License Board (CSLB) handles reciprocal licenses. He has to show proof of prior experience to the licensing board (CSLB).2.
Letter of Experience
The request for a letter from you is a common part of the validation process. The CSLB needs to be convinced that your employee has met the required number of hours of experience and that such experience has been lawfully obtained.3.
The ET Card Catch-22
He needs the ET card now to be working legally as an electrician's trainee. The question is how to move forward now, and how much to reveal about the past.
Addressing Your Concerns and Potential Solutions
Honesty and Verification
The paragraph from the PDF that you found is likely an interpretation of how the Department of Industrial Relations intends to use the letter. However, you should be wary, since it is unlikely to come from a government source. While they might not actively pursue legal action solely based on the letter itself, it's a written record. If there were a later audit, inspection, or accident, that letter could be used in conjunction with other evidence to demonstrate violations.2.
The Letter of Experience - Approaches
Option 1: (Most Conservative) - Focus on Future Experience
Write the letter very carefully, focusing only on the experience he has gained since obtaining his ET card (once he gets it). In the letter, clearly state the dates of employment and describe the specific tasks he performed while holding a valid ET card. Be vague about dates before that. This may mean that the CSLB might not give him credit for the previous two years of experience.
Option 2: (More Risky) - Include All Experience with Qualification
You could write the letter to the best of your knowledge. Make a clear statement in the letter that says something like this: "To the best of my knowledge, all work performed by \[Employee's Name] during the period \[start date] to \[end date] was done under the supervision of a qualified electrician, and I am satisfied that all work was performed properly and accurately."3.
Getting the ET Card Now
This is the most important step, and something you should have done earlier.
Spanish-Language Courses
Search online specifically for "Electrician Trainee Card California Spanish." There are approved providers that offer courses in Spanish. If you've already tried, double-check the DIR's list of approved schools. Some may offer courses in Spanish even if not prominently advertised.
Help Him Enroll
Offer to pay for the course and provide assistance with the enrollment process.4.
Legal Liability
While the DIR might not specifically target employers based on a letter of experience alone, you are potentially exposed if it turns out the information in the letter is discovered to be inaccurate.
Recommendations
Consult with an Attorney (Best Practice)
Talk to a California construction law attorney who specializes in contractor licensing issues. They can review the specific language of the letter, advise you on your potential liability, and suggest the safest course of action. This is the best way to protect yourself.
Priority #1: Get the ET Card
Push hard for your employee to get the ET card immediately. Make it a non-negotiable condition of continued employment.
Err on the Side of Caution
When drafting the letter, prioritize accuracy and transparency. If you're unsure about something, leave it out. It's better to provide a limited but truthful account than to risk providing inaccurate information.
Review the CSLB's Requirements
Carefully review the CSLB's specific requirements for validating foreign experience. This will help you tailor the letter to meet their needs.
Regarding People Without ET Cards
Clarify Job Duties
Clearly define the job duties of all employees, especially those without ET cards. Make sure they understand that they are not to perform any tasks that could be considered "making electrical connections" or working on electrical systems.*
Document Everything
Keep detailed records of employee training, job assignments, and supervision. This will help demonstrate your commitment to compliance.
Key Takeaway:
The ET card system in California is imperfect, but it's the law. The best way to protect yourself is to ensure that all employees who perform electrical work, even under supervision, have a valid ET card and that you're providing proper supervision and training. If you’re going to write a letter, be as factual as possible and consult with an attorney to mitigate any potential risk. Flag for review